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2 years, 12 months ago

Why is there so much trading on GM today, when it's the last day before de-listing? Who's buying, and why? What does a share get you?

Opened at $0.51. Right now (1045am PST) it's at $0.83.
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whiskeybravo | 2 years, 12 months ago
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GM was delisted from the Dow, therefore any Index funds must liquidate their positions. This alone will create a lot of trades

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whiskeybravo | 2 years, 12 months ago Report

Many mutual funds are "indexed" to the Dow industrials, meaning that they are obligated by their prospectus to maintain holdings that match the Dow. Therefore the delisting of GM (and Citi group) required them to sell those positions.

As for who is buying? I suppose one can always find a buyer at the right price. Some may consider it an opportunity to buy in large holdings at a very low price assuming that GM will survive (quite likely) and perhaps even thrive once again (somewhat more speculative)

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aleghart | 2 years, 12 months ago Report

I understand the removal from the Dow Index...the new lineup comes out on June 8. That's different than delisting from the NYSE, which occurs tomorrow (June 2).

To whom does one liquidate? In order to sell, there has to be a buyer. Who's buying?

You'll have to pardon my layman's understanding of the market. I thought everything was buy-sell...a two-sided transaction.

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mal313 | 2 years, 12 months ago
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When a company declares bankruptcy, the common stock is not automatically worthless. And delisting means it will no longer be traded on the NYSE, but it will continue to be traded on private exchanges. A company's stock is deemed worthless only when the bankruptcy court determines that the company's assets are insufficient to pay off all the liabilities of the company. There have been cases where a company declared bankruptcy and its common stock later soared in value because the assets turned out to be worth more than the liabilities. In GM's case, most experts agree there is little to no chance that the common stock has any value at all. But some buyers of stock are ignorant, and think that, because the stock once traded much higher, it must be a bargain here. They are wrong. Some purchases today may also be made by traders who had sold the shares short a long time ago to profit from the fall; they now need to buy shares to close out the trade.

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aleghart | 2 years, 12 months ago Report

That's the gist of what I'm seeing. Quoted from the link you provided on Chapter 11 re-organization:

"In most instances, the company's plan of reorganization will cancel the existing equity shares."

So, everyone rushing to buy at <$1 right now will likely lose everything along with the other existing stockholders.

From Morningstar (http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Stocknet/san.aspx?id=293365):

"Thursday's 8-K filing also outlined a possible capital structure of the new GM upon emergence from bankruptcy. The new company will have $17 billion of debt ($8.0 billion owed to the U.S. Treasury, $2.5 billion owed to the voluntary employees' beneficiary association, and $6.5 billion of other debt). Also, $9 billion of preferred stock will be issued, with $6.5 billion of it going to the VEBA and $2.5 billion to the Treasury. GM's common equity will be 72.5% owned by the U.S. Treasury (although some of this amount may eventually go to the Canadian and Ontario governments), 17.5% owned by the VEBA, and 10% owned by the unsecured bondholders. This allocation means existing GM stockholders would have their entire stake wiped out, so we see no reason to buy GM stock."

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