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Why do a lot of phone company buildings have no windows?

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creeva | 3 years, 5 months ago
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In regards to the long lines building in NYC:

It is often described as one of the most secure buildings in America, and was designed to be self-sufficient and protected from nuclear fallout for up to two weeks after a nuclear blast. Its style has been generally praised, with the New York Times saying it is a rare building of its type in Manhattan that "makes sense architecturally" and that it "blends into its surroundings more gracefully" than any other skyscraper nearby.

From the building description:

This building is essentially "windowless" for the security and protection of the expensive equipment.
- The exterior walls are granite-faced precast concrete panels.
- The building has a typical floor to floor height of 18 feet in order to accommodate the telephone switching equipment requirements.
- To support the equipment, the floors were required to be designed for 200 to 300 psf live loads.
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imshane | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

So many good answers, but this one is the best for relating directly to the question and providing a good source! Thanks!

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dcdomain | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Ah, you beat me to posting this AT&T building. I pass by it all the time!

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donasay | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Wow that building looks neat! And great explanation as to why this one is built the way it is. I hope the implications are generalizable to all phone company buildings.

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archmac | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Simply through word-of-mouth from Bell Telephone old-timers (I did several projects creating exiting plans for a lot of their switching stations in the Cleveland area in the 80's), the buildings were meant to protect US communications even in times of nuclear war, severe storms, etc. They were built to be, in effect, communications fortresses.

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sean | 3 years, 5 months ago
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They are similar or are data centers and need security, controlled temperatures, and other controls for the equipment to run perfectly.

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eliot | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

I'm with sean on this one. Don't get hung up on the word "phone company". These corporations control all of our network infrastructure and need massive data centers to do it.

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imshane | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

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justinleung | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Many phone company buildings are simply server farms and benefit from the controlled climate inside and which glass would be a hindrance. It also gives the building a industrial look.

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jcaz | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Phone company buildings fall into an industrial type of occupancy. The major function of these buildings is to house electrical and computer equipment. Risk of life safety is secondary to risk of material and service loss, thus the lack of windows.
Their construction is considered as Class 1 - Fire Resistive as per NFPA 220. The main function of this construction class is to withstand the effects of fire and prevent its spread.
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The National Fire Protection Association's Handbook of Fire Protection

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tp66 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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US Telephone Wire Center buildings in the pre-Bell System breakup, pre-Internet, pre-datacenter days maintained the life blood of the Nation's communications. The Bell System maintained the network. Keeping it flowing through even "Acts of God" was of utmost importance.

It was not just the value of the equipment, per se, but the value of the entire National network - it was a matter of National security before that term became a dirty word.

Before the AT&T Long Lines building referenced above, New York Telephone, in the 1960's, built 811 Tenth Ave as their first windowless building. It's now an AT&T building.

"Like all the other telecom fortresses, this was designed to withstand considerable nuclear blast and fall-out and be self-sufficient for long periods of time. "
http://www.greatgridlock.net/NYC/nyc3.html#105

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stajo | 3 years, 5 months ago
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In case of war it would be easier to keep the enemy from infiltrating inside the building and save control over the regional communication system.

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madman | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Having toured a "long lines facility once", I'm sure its to make the building more resilant to storms, civil unrest, secure, etc... .basically making the building "hardened". The site I toured as a kid was actually underground, but I too have noticed (now that you mentioned it, that most buildings are windowless.

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harmonograms | 3 years, 5 months ago
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It's primarily a machinery space and machines don't need windows. During the sixties (Cold War), utility companies started designing hardened structures so their equipment would be more likely to survive natural or man-made disasters.

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megastar | 3 years, 5 months ago
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It depends on which "telephone company building" you are referring to. If it's the main office, there are windows; it's a little more welcoming and friendly to the public. However if it is the Central Office (CO) or one of the remote huts then no there are now windows. This is for a couple reasons:
1) Security. The equipment housed within the windowless building is worth millions.
2) Climate control so the switches do not over heat and can work properly.
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I work at a Telephone Company.

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darcy logan | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Well, here in Nashville, the former BellSouth building, now the AT&T building (although we just call it the Batman building) has lots of windows.
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kenford | 3 years, 5 months ago
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DATA PROTECTION

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chico | 3 years, 5 months ago
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The REAL reason why there is commonly no windows at phone comanpies (Telco's) is security. The common reference is called "hardening of a data center". This is not just for the common physical threats but for the more catastrophic mother nature and hostile acts. Telecom buildings are designed to withstand earthquakes, hurricanes & yes bombs. Windows while aesthetic would require hurricane shields (an added expense) and increased engineering cost to given them the same structural fortitude.

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madhattr | 3 years, 5 months ago
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This is not only for climate control, but also for security purposes. There are few levels of security certificate for data centers, and the above-ground strange-looking ones have one of the lowest levels. Truly secure data centers are able not only to withstand an earthquake/infiltration attempts, but also direct missile strikes. Therefore, they are built underground in secure facilities.

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scarulu | 3 years, 5 months ago
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The buildings that belong to phone companies that do not have windows are the "central offices".
The reason they were built this way is because they enclosed the network servers, PBXs, and other telecommunications equipment, like power supplies, etc. All these equipment produces a lot of heat, which is not good for optimal performance of these equipment, thus cooling units preserve the building cold.
Having no windows helps to keep the building cold.
Another reasons are security and to prevent theft.
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My wife worked for 16 years at GTE in Hawaii, and in texas. I work for an IT department and know about networks and PBX boxes.
Believe me when I said these equipment makes a lot of heat!

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siestaguy | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I work in a former GTE central office. It sucks not having windows.

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churchischurch | 3 years, 5 months ago
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because if they did when people call them about there service they can just say all the reps are on the lunchbreak and no one knows.

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wsmelton | 3 years, 5 months ago
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The USDA Rural Development Telecommunications offers a document titled "Electrical Protection of Digital and Lightwave Telecommunications Equipment", link: http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/publications/word_files/1751f810.doc

Now my interpretation of this is a building is all concrete for grounding purposes along with the others mentioned (security, climate control). Section 4.3.4 mentions a low resistance path to ground should be make using reinforced concrete that is in direct contact with bare earth. Which depending on what building you are referring to is why some are all concrete. I would also believe that all concrete buildings, especially for a teleco Central Office (CO) would be to keep signal interference to a minimum. Especially if you are talking about a wireless companies main equipment building. A CO building for a teleco company is usually houses the interface from your landlines into the teleco main network. Which would be a main point to protect from signal interference and storm damage (lightening, etc).

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cincirule44 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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because they want to keep things off the public network.

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vizier | 3 years, 5 months ago
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It used to be a requirement under the telecommunications act in order to help assure survival of the phone system after a nuclear attack.

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booshtukka | 3 years, 5 months ago
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To stop people jumping out of them.

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arvin_singh | 3 years, 5 months ago
I don't know if this is entirely true. Some phone company buildings are nothing but windows.
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dbspringer | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Is that a corporate office? I would imagine the corporate office would be a bit friendlier than the buildings containing all the equipment.

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creeva | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

It matters if the switching equipment is kept there or not - I would assume it isn't for that building.

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manj | 3 years, 5 months ago
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i dont know

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digiratu | 3 years, 5 months ago
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-Helps control sun rays coming in.
-Employees not being distracted by what's going on outside
-No visibility from outside = increased security inside
-Protecting business secrecy

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aadjemonkeyrock | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Are you sure the building isn't the parking lot?

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chrisco | 3 years, 5 months ago
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1) They don't need windows.
2) There is no benefit from having windows.
3) There is an increased startup cost (designing and building) with windows.
4) There are increased recurring costs with windows.
5) There are greater security risks with windows.
6) Higher maintenance costs with windows.
7) There's more, but hopefully that's enough.
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Grey matter between ears.

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alexh934 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Mainly for security reasons. They do actually have windows, but this one looks as if it has been tinted or it is extremely dirty.
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myself and the picture above.

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mollyfud | 3 years, 5 months ago
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They Prefer Macs. heheh (are you allowed to give funny answers?)

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dbspringer | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Sure you can, but remember: with money on the line, the more serious and well researched your answer, the more likely you are going to earn some scratch! :)

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j4s0n | 3 years, 5 months ago
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coincidence?

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phillydrifter | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Because a lot of vampires work there.

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undeadleader | 2 years ago Report

Sure Vampires work there, but don't be silly. Vampires are a small part of the work force at the telephone company and thereby only a very small reason for no windows. The UnDead or Living Dead far exceed the number of Vampires, please, get your facts straight "phillydrifter". The UnDead also do not like sunlight and would be very rude to people calling for information. So, when you get one of those rude operators from time to time, you can be sure that the building they are in has windows. I have researched this very carefully, the answer here is far more accurate that any I have read so far. Hope this has cleared up the mystery.

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