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Who are the Chirchaua?

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freeser1 | 2 years, 2 months ago
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My grandfather once told me about an old indian in Wilcox, Arizona, who claimed to be the grandson of Cochise, and would tell my grandfather stories that his grandfather told him. I'm not sure if the old man was just telling people what he thought they wanted to hear or if he was telling the truth. But the possiblity exists that the Army missed a few Chirichahua when they thought they had shipped em all to prison in Florida.

There is also the story of Masaai, who is believed to have escaped the Florida bound train somewhere in Kansas. There are plenty of stories and legends about Masaai killing Americans and Mexicans. Many of them seem to be nothing more than legend, while many seem quite plausible.

Here's an interesting article about a group of Chirichahua who were "allowed" to enter Arizona in 1998. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/12-10-98/feat.htm

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freeser1 | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

I did look it up dani, and your claim is false. The government does not currently restrict the free movement of any US Citizens between states. Please dont post poorly researched false statements.

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

dani315 will you look up the information and post it.

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dani315 | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

why dont you look it up yourself. if youre so interested

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The Chiricahua is a band of Apache (several groups of Native Americans in the US). The Chiricahua that live in the areas of New Mexico, Arizona, Sonora and Chihuahua in Mexico.
The Chiricahua were a group of Apaches made of up several different bands that were loosely-affiliated.
The Chiricahua were hostile tword Americans, 1n 1937 a group of Americans invited the Chiricahua over to trade and the Americans opened fire and cannons on teh Chiricahua killing 20 and even the chief. This caused a lot of vengeance for many years.
After the Us/Mexican war and the Gadsden Purchase ( a 29,670 square mile region in Arizona and Mexico purchased by the US) Americans began entering into the Chiricahuas area and more conflict arised. In 1852 Mangas Coloradas was tied to a tree and beat by minors when he told them to leave his land. Later his family was killed by the US Army near the Apache Pass which is known as the Bascom Affair.
The Chirichahua National Monument in Arizona is one of the of the last standing places. Now the Chirichaua are not allowd to enter Arizona today and they do not wish to because of all the hostiity to their people. The descendents opted to live in New Mexico and some remain in Oklahoma.

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freeser1 | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

dani315, I believe your 1937 date may be 100 years off. Probably a typo. The intial contact between American settlers and Chirichaua people happened in the 1800's.

You claim the Chirichahua are not allowed to enter Arizona today. I've never heard of that law. Where did you get this information?

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

Who was the selling party in the Gadsen Purchase? Why would the Chirchaua sell 29,670 acres of sovereign land? They had no place to go?

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

The constitution guarantees the right to travel between area. What law could limit a person from free travel?

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freeser1 | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

To my knowledge the US Govt never bought anything from the Chirichahua. Nor did the Apache "own" land. They owned nothing to sell, and if they did, the US would simply have taken it rather than buy it. Southern Arizona "belonged" to Mexico, and as a part of the Treaty of Guadalupe, in 1853.

The Apache never would have sold land if they had the capacity, and the US never would have paid $10, much less $10,000,000 for land to the Apache.

As far as the Apache having somewhere to go, they weren't limited by borders until they were on the Reservation. And even then they simply left when ever they got ready...until Geronimo's final surrender to the aptly named General Crook. A small band of men, women and children successfully avoided capture for months while being hunted ruthlessly by 5000 US soldiers, 3000 Mexican troops, several thousand US and Mexican civilians, and hundreds of Apache scouts. They were never captured. They simply turned themselves in because they missed thier families, and were weary of running. Later, in Florida, Geronimo regretted the surrender. They were able to accomplish this amazing feat because they had no borders. To them the land belonged to everyone, and to no-one. They were able to run across deserts, climb canyon walls, literally hide within feet of other men. The physical accomplishments of the Apache were amazing, and they considered themselves one with Mother Earth...in thier mind, who could sell her?

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