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What would life have been like in the Hell's Kitchen neighborhood of Manhattan in the late 1960s and early 1970s?

The Hell's Kitchen neighborhood of New York City is now relatively peaceful and dotted with restaurants and eateries that emphasize the diverse ethnic heritage that built the community. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, however, gangs such as The Westies fought for control of the neighborhood. What would life have been like during this time? What would have been the primary method of transportation for many people living in this area? What kind of shopping would there have been? Where would many children that lived in this area have attended high school? Where would the adults have gone to find work in this area? What types of businesses were there? Any other descriptive information that can be provided is not only appreciated, but also tipped.
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albanian | 1 year, 6 months ago
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I was brought up a few blocks from there in the 50's and 60's. I don't think you have a good background idea of life in Manhattan with which to consider this question. Just because there were gangs around doesn't mean the normal lives of average people were different. Like urban areas today, people had to be cautious, especially at night. Nothing else special. Transportation was the subway and the bus system, which has always been very effective, if a bit dirty, in NYC. There were lots of smaller shops and medium supermarkets. It wasn't that far by bus or even walking to the big department stores. There were high schools there, Manhattan is very densely populated and has high schools all over. Basically, again, every shop, every business, and every possible employment is within reasonable reach of everyone who lives in Manhattan. On 8th Ave. there were more porn shops and hookers than there were on, say, 5th Ave. Nothing that would surprise anyone in any city these days though.

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garyallen | 1 year, 6 months ago Report

I'm Born in Brooklyn, raised in NJ, father worked in The City for 30+ years and took me a lot. Grandparents lived in Bensonhurst in 70s & visited them very often. I know the East Village only as far as I can toss a cannoli from Veniero's on...11th or 12th St at the iconic 2nd Ave, don't remember without looking.

But I'm slightly younger than to know the 50s or 60s. (Pushing 40 and I'm too young!) Subway & buses I could have answered, but Hell's Kitchen I know nothing about.

And PS: A great page with brief descriptions of changed and abandoned lines, as well as links to historical maps of the subway, is here:
http://www.nycsubway.org/maps/historical.html

A definite vote up.

(PS: If you grew up in Manhattan, you'll appreciate this: To this day, the only coffee I'll make at home is Chock-Full-O'Nuts--thank God in cans here in The Midwest. I can't get a glass jar of Fox's U-Bet Chocolate Syrup but it's a lot easier in the squeeze bottle anyway. Last night, my 6-year-old son and I were just discussing the egg cream I made & got him to try the other day. He flinched at first until I sold it with "Come on, you saw me make it-it's chocolate milk soda!")

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albanian | 1 year, 6 months ago Report

There were no factories or meat packing plants that I recall. Nor do I remember meeting anyone Irish. The neighborhood was Puerto Rican mostly, with Italians and Blacks as well. Sure there were restaurants and bars; but again that's true all over Manhattan. There was an elevated over on the East Side but that's a completely different area. I think you are thinking of the 1930's or some such not the 50's and 60's. As I said, I lived a few blocks north. There was not enough over in that direction (south and west for me) that I went that way much.

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kelraye78 | 1 year, 6 months ago Report

Bingo! That is exactly what I was looking for, Albanian! I was hoping to find someone who had lived in the area at the time, but I thought that might have been a little far-fetched. What types of places would people have worked at? I know that there were factories and meat-packing plants in Gansevoort Market, and you mentioned department stores. I also know that Irish immigrants tended to work construction and for the steel workers' union. Anything else? Delis? Restaurants? Bars?

Another question that I am having trouble with is that I know there was a portion of the High Line torn down in the 1960s, but I have been unable to find out exactly when and what portion of the railway was affected. I you can help with this, I would appreciate it. I am sending a tip for the above right now. Thanks.

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entelia | 1 year, 6 months ago
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I work nearby and I have heard several stories. Check this 2007 nytimes article: www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/arts/17hell.html

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brendonbarnett | 1 year, 6 months ago
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Already by the 1930s the takedown of some of the worst tenements had occured. The railroad tracks that had become known as "Death Avenue" were relocated and the Ninth Avenue Elevated train was dismantled. Hell's Kitchen became a new hot-spot for actors due to it's proximity to many off-broadway theaters. The Actors Studio on West 44th Street fosterd some of the greats, like Marlon Brando and Marilyn Monroe.

Many vacant lots were transformed into parks and by the 1950s, developers had moved in and began investing commercially and eventually changed the name of the community to Clinton, named after the former Mayor and governor of New York DeWitt Clinton.

According to Wikipedia, "The 1969 edition of the Plan for New York City book authored by the City Planning Commission stated that people of modest means were being driven from the area by development pressures due to the Midtown location." With it's proximity to Midtown, a flourishing theater scene, commercial development, and gentrified housing, it appears that by the 1960s and 1970s, Hell's Kitchen may not have been such a bad prospect for residents.

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