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2 years, 10 months ago about Tommy Douglas

What part does Canada play in the American Health Care debate?

...and does the media ever mention Tommy Douglas, the guy who invented the Universal Health Care system Canadians enjoy today. After-all, he is the most popular Canadian of all time, even more popular than Wayne Gretzky.

http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy.html
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demanda | 2 years, 10 months ago
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I've never heard Mr. Douglas mentioned recently in media, but he is mentioned in the Michael Moore documentary Sicko. However, I don't think this film's portrayal of the Canadian healthcare system was completely accurate. It paints a very rosy picture of it that is just too good to be true.

My hope is that America can find a middle ground somewhere on this issue. The advantage of adopting a universal healthcare system so much later than other countries is that we can see learn from their mistakes. I'd like to read a comparison of the US/Canada health systems from someone who has experience with both.

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tenor11 | 2 years, 10 months ago
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The Canadian system is one that people expect to see in the US if Universal Health Care is adopted.

If the Canadian system is so good, why do so many Canadians come to the US when they need care?

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srgothard | 2 years, 10 months ago Report

One man waited 3 years for incontinence surgery. Maybe you'll call that elective, but I think we can argue that quality of life is better when there aren't waiting lists.

http://www.dakotapolitics.com/blogPost.asp?PostId=18619

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maurice | 2 years, 10 months ago Report

Those Canadians who can afford to go to the US for treatment sometimes do so to avoid waiting for elective surgery. This is because wait times for elective surgery for procedures like cataract removal can be quite long. But a 9 month wait to get perfect vision is far better than never being able to afford it as is the case for so many Americans.

Treatment for emergencies is fairly fast and is also for everyone who needs it, not just those who can afford it.

But the vast majority of Canadians are effectively treated in Canada through the Canadian medical system.

The system here is not perfect. It is expensive and issues abound, but it is universal and no one is turned away due to lack of money. The problems are being fixed and costs are high no matter where you look for treatment.

The US has an opportunity, being late to the Universal Health Care game, to study the experience of countries like Canada and develop a made in the USA Health Care system that is better than any other.

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srgothard | 2 years, 10 months ago Report

I know of no one in America who has been turned away from any type of surgery because they could not afford it. Under our system, you are treated first (and quickly) and billed later. Also, as long as you send in something each month, you can't be charged interest on medical bills. I can't imagine a better system. If you want doctors to do right by you, you want to be the customer, not some bureaucrat who has no vested interest in your health.

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jeffhoard | 2 years, 10 months ago Report

Ah, here's the source for that quote... dang edit button isn't working.

http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/content/CollegeandFamily/Raisekids/P150437.asp

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jeffhoard | 2 years, 10 months ago Report

That's the thing @srgothard there are examples of Canadians who do receive bad treatment, nobody is saying the system is flawless, I don't know much about the story you linked on DakotaPolitics.com but I think there will always be examples of people unable to get care as they intend to get it on both sides of the border.

I generally don't appreciate how the argument about Canadian Health Care is always the same, it always mentions 1 or 2 specific cases during the history of our system where people have had to wait for surgery, Incontinence is elective by definition http://www.webmd.com/urinary-incontinence-oab/bladder-suspension If this particular person who pisses 12 times a night thinks he might have a greater problem he should take that up with a doctor and not the press. Either way, when he gets the surgery it will be free. If he wants to pay for it he can go down the United States, I wonder how much it would cost?

That's the key Free, yes there are the flaws with the odd complicated case, but think of the common reasons people use the health care system, every broken arm, nail in the foot, every heart attack, stroke everything is covered. If you get pregnant in Canada, it costs about $10 (parking) to deliver the baby no matter what complications you might experience. I read in the United States....
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1. Medical expenses: Medical care for mother and child is a potentially significant expense facing new parents. The cost of delivering a new baby can range from $5,000 to $8,000 for a vaginal delivery to more than $12,000 for a cesarean delivery. If there are complications, those costs can increase dramatically. Even if your child is in perfect health, new babies require numerous well-visit checkups and immunizations.
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albanian | 2 years, 10 months ago
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It doesn't seem to be playing a part this time round. The last time, a few years ago under the Clintons, the search for a good model was wide ranging and the Canadian system was looked at and considered. This time only a much more modest attempt to extend insurance is being made.

Personally, I'm a Liberal. I don't think we (the USA) should reinvent the wheel at all, let's just give the Canadians a few trillion dollars to include us in their system. Why just save money buying drugs from Canada; let's save even more with Canadian medical care.

Of course, I'm also someone who would like to see New Orleans contract out its police force duties to the Mounties. I may not be a typical voter.

ps. Is plenty of beer part of the Canadian health plan? I rather suspect so.
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paulsquires | 2 years, 10 months ago
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I think you have almost answered your own question. The best part Canada could play in the debate is as a positive model of what can be acheived in Universal Health Care when governments are prepared to resist inteference from huge corportions driven soley by profit.

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jfs | 2 years, 10 months ago
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The Canadian Health Care System seems to be the model we look at when discussing the way our system might work. They looked to England as their model.

I do not think this is a legitimate part for Canada to play in our discussions since we are not Canadians, do not really think like Canadians when it comes to entitlements, and can certainly do a better job than Canadians.

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