What language is it?
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ti tar po him lenz grodnom olsom yamar solen
de hararal so vaden ne tan
ti dor rum ti dor rum a la hem la kro pash hem
san ser san ser ya her gardens shirkto parafyaran
vi da marker de hararal so yuden so mal trexel ho
trexel ho par la var rensish hen dar sare dar sare ya velklet
folk anaias velk nevano vakra dar mer en lu fa elenkar
ef te ma ti mun tu na ha yu gram la twum fel pla.... nyet
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M$The vowels in this aren't quite the Moscovite Russian I'm used to. At first, I was detecting a lot of German roots, which led me to believe that this was possibly either in Austrian dialect (they roll their Rs in Austria) or the formal German singing style, which also uses rolled Rs.
But listening a few more times didn't make it possible for me to understand the words--I feel like I'm right on the edge of it. It does sound like a language related to Russian. Russian is another Sanskrit derived language, and is often thought to be the closest to it.
If languages were a clearly-defined map, I'd put this on the border of eastern Germany and Russia.
But I'm going to say Icelandic: the vowels sound right, the rolled r at the end of many words sounds right, and the once-in-awhile Germanic roots fit, too.
Listen to this video and see what you think:
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2005/7139.htm rolled rs in the Germanic world
pp. 58 and 59 of DREVNOST': AR'I. SLAVYANYE. (ANTIQUITY: ARYANS. SLAVS). Moscow, Paleya. 1996. "Link Between Russian and Sanskrit" , a lecture given on Feb 22 1964 in Moscow by Prof. Durga Prasad Shastri at the Indo-Soviet Cultural Society
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The video I picked because it's easy to hear the sounds of the language. It is a *traditional* song--there was rap, electronica, all kinds of pop music to pick from, but it was harder to hear the language in those videos. The music of the selection sounds to me like modern "art" music.
The vowels aren't right, and neither are the aspirations to be an Eastern European language. I can say it's not a Celtic language, and it shares some rhythm and constructions with Germanic languages--I caught a "warden" in there and an "alzo". It's not nasal enough for Russian; it's not Yiddish; it's not Hebrew--no soft "ch" in the middles of words. I've heard enough Moldavian, Romanian and Bulgarian to know it's not those languages. It's not Finnish. It is not a Latinate language. It's not Armenian or Georgian or Czech.
My best guess is still Icelandic, or next best would be a singer from the far corner of Austria bumping up against Hungary.
I think you are on the wrong track here. Unless a native speaker crops up the melody is the biggest clue. It's definitely Eastern European of some sort, this Icelandic tune sounds very North-West European.
Listened to it again this morning. I'm catching some German(ic) words, for sure: "also warden"--the "warden" is a future tense construction. "Luftbarre" is in the last line--it's a kind of barometer. I'm also catching Germanic word endings "en" "es" and the article "die" "langbarre" (long bars) and a variety of other things. I really don't think it's Eastern European, but it's not high German for sure--a dialect, maybe. Bavarian?
I checked out Faroese, too, but it sounds more Gaelic than this by far--I've also studied Irish and Scottish enough to tell the sounds, and it's not them.
Icelandic and sanskrit were popping up often for me.
I think you're very close.
I lived in Bavaria for a time and speak German, I don't recognize it. Words perhaps, but not the entire thing. That could still have it being pretty much any European language lol Most of them have similar roots.
maybe it's a mix or maybe it's a non existing language?)))
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ah, sorry unwirklich, i missed your previous comment,
yes, let's try Icelandic =)
eh no, not icelandic, I asked
Wow, finally it seems i'm on the right way
It's norwegian, but in dialect and maybe the singer isn't norwegian, there are a lot of words from nynorsk, western coast of Norway
A bit of translation: you see the sky, moon that hides sun...
Still no luck finding the origin huh? Did you ever rule out Icelandic? As I said after watching Pathfinder which is entirely in Icelandic that would be my new guess. I heard several words from the song in the movie.
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yes, also i thought that it's an eastern european language, but i asked one hungarian guy and it's told that this song isn't hungarian and he thinks that it's scandinavian... i have heard some swedish songs, and it's similar to them, but not exactly.. i'm searching =)
Native Slovak Speaker here.... cant get the song to load, any help?
I went about this a different way. I pulled words i felt were likely vowels/nouns and googled them individually.
I believe what that is is slovak.
I think the written version here has some misspellings so the translator didn't translate the entire thing, but because it was able to pick up at least bits and peices I'm gonna go with Slovak. Which makes sense my first guess was Russian. It reminds me of the music for disney's Anastasia.
http://www.heartofeurope.co.uk/dictionary.htm
Here you can also see some sample of slovac.
Translation I was given for Slovak from Brain's written version.
"and tar after him Lenz Grodno olsom yamar solen
de Harare with no tan vaden
ti ti dor dor rum rum and la la kro pasha hem hem
san san ser ser ya her gardens shirkto parafyaran
vi da de Harare marker with YUDEN having had him Trex
Trex him par la var rensish hen gift gift Sare Sare ya velklet
Folk anai Big Nevan vakra gift mer en fa lu elenkar
ef te ma ti moon here in ha yu gram twum la fel pla .... nyet "
Far worse singer.. but.. you get the sound...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA6z9TnAXyc
I dunno for sure, but yeah, Slovak is my guess.
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I agree: not Slavic at all. But not Estonian either, I don't think. The vowels are wrong, and the rolled r's aren't like the trilled r's of Estonian. I'm picking up a lot of Germanic root words, endings and constructions that I don't get in Estonian. Here's a good, understandable example of Estonian. I'm going to get in touch with a friend who is a native Estonian speaker just to be sure, though.
Thank you!
Ok, it's not Slovak but neither Estonian, i asked one my estonian friend. So maybe Dаnish?!
Esperanto sounds like a perfect fit!
Google translator says
Thanks, Brian! It can be very helpful indeed, i've tried to write some words too, like "san ser..." etc
from this it can be romanian...
hm, and one web-translator translates this text as danish)
Yes, and the description of Esperanto sounds right, but the actual spoken language doesn't.
Did we ever figure this one out? I was watching Pathfinder the other night. it's filmed in Icelandic and I did hear some of the same words use in the song.
Or Sanskrit?
Our Indian members would recognize Sanskrit if any listen to it; but, it really is not at all an Indian melody and they, if anyone at all, would be the only ones to try a song in that language.
The last word sounds very Russian. But the "her gardens" sounds germanic (I don't know how to write the "her" part.. sounds like hair). I'm also wondering if it has some Jewish elements.