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What is the history of the name and word 'Swindle'?

Everyday I drive by a mailbox in my neighborhood that reads "Mr. J. and Mary Swindle" and I always start wondering about the history of that name.

I know that the last name has German roots 'schwindel', but when did we start using it to refer to a con job?
Is there a historical story to it, like 'Ponzi'?

Every time I see that mailbox, it also reminds of the Sex Pistols... but that's another story!
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potterarchy | 1 year, 10 months ago
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Etymonline has a great summary of the history of "swindle" (I've edited it a bit so it has less acronyms and is more understandable):

"First seen in English in 1774, from German 'Schwindler' (giddy person, extravagant speculator, cheat), which is from 'schwindeln' (to be giddy, act extravagantly, swindle), itself from Old High German 'swintilon' (be giddy), which was a frequentative form of 'swintan' (to languish, disappear). Cognate with Old English 'swindan,' and probably with 'swima' (dizziness)."

Wiktionary outlines basically the same thing. So it looks like it wasn't necessarily in connection with someone named Swindle (or Schwindle, etc) but it had its origins in two similar-sounding words (swintilon and swintan) that combined in meaning over the years.

Hope that helps. :)

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potterarchy | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

Ah-ha... Okay!

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bunnyphuphu | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

Thanks for helping me with this Miss Potter!

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potterarchy | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

You're quite welcome, Miss Bunny! (Miss Phuphu...? lol!)

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potterarchy | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

I'm not aware of the history behind "Munson" - care to enlighten? ;)

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bunnyphuphu | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

You'll have to see the movie 'Kingpin'. It's great!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116778/

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bklynjs | 1 year, 10 months ago
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Pottrarchy's history of the word is correct. As far as it being used as a name could probably be just one of the many mistakes made on Ellis Island as busy people did not have the time to understand immigrant's language and gave them a name close to what they thought was right. Or if they wanted to play a joke wrote it on a card some immigrant didn't understand. Swindler could have come from the name Schindler. I have friends whose American name is different then their relatives in Europe.

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bunnyphuphu | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

You have a great point there too. Thanks for your insight!

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jhaide014 | 1 year, 10 months ago
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Main Entry: 1swin·dle
Pronunciation: \ˈswin-dəl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): swin·dled; swin·dling \ˈswin(d)-liŋ, ˈswin-dəl-iŋ\
Etymology: back-formation from swindler, from German Schwindler giddy person, from schwindeln to be dizzy, from Old High German swintilōn, frequentative of swintan to diminish, vanish; akin to Old English swindan to vanish
Date: circa 1782

intransitive verb : to obtain money or property by fraud or deceittransitive verb : to take money or property from by fraud or deceit

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kai99 | 1 year, 10 months ago
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meaning of swindle is related to fraud or spam. it as other meaning as confidence trick. as far i know there is no meaning related to name.

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bunnyphuphu | 1 year, 10 months ago Report

I understand the current meaning of the word. I was looking for the history of it. Before it became a word to fraud someone... it was a last name, like 'Ponzi'.

I wanted to know if there was an incident in history to turn this last name into an actual word.

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