What do you think about a tax on sugary drinks as a way to curb obesity and finance health care reform?
Please read the following story and argument before answering.
http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/an-anti-tax-argument-thats-hard-to-swallow/?ex=1269230400&en=2f8ba3bee30043b5&ei=5087&WT.mc_id=GN-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M115b-ROS-0909-HDR&WT.mc_ev=click
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M$9 Answers
As the article states, the government already influences our diet in various ways, including educating people about the "food pyramid". Education is fine, as that is simply giving citizens the information they need to make an informed choice. When they cross the line from education to taxation they go from a helpful mode into a punitive one. The government is essentially saying that they don't care if you consume something unhealthy as long as you give them extra money while you make yourself sick.
This is just like the tax on cigarettes. The government always wants more of our money, so they tax small addicted segments of the population in order to get that money. If the passionate "stop obesity" crowd outnumbers the soda addicts, soda drinkers will get taxed more. The government doesn't really want people to stop drinking soda, they simply want more money from them. If people stopped drinking soda, the soda companies would make less money, employee less people and pay less taxes.
If the government truly desires to use taxation as a way to fight obesity and fund socialist health care programs they need to start a "fat slob" tax. Make people go to the Big Brother weighing station when they pay their income tax and charge them for being over weight. It wouldn't matter if the excess lard came from chugging soda, scarfing down pork rinds or indulging at all-you-can-eat buffets. While this level of governmental intrusion would hopefully lead to a revolution, at least this approach could claim some degree of honesty as it would target the problematic condition rather than unfairly punish healthy people who occasionally drink soda.
With a soda tax people will keep on chugging and the government will simply exploit their addiction for profit. Once people get hooked on a product, they will keep buying it even when the cost goes up. I once worked at a deli and constantly had people try to buy soda, alcohol and cigarettes using food stamps. They had so little money that they needed government assistance to buy food yet they still tried to spend what little they had on non-nourishing items because they wanted it so badly. If soda gets more expensive, addicts on a tight budget will leave the veggies and milk off of their shopping list so that they can still afford the soda.
If we allow the idea of a soda tax, how long until we tax salty snack foods because of high blood pressure problems or cheap ground meat because of fat and cholesterol issues? Why not impose a 100% tax on fast food since most of it is so bad for you? How about setting up government sponsored gyms and taxing anyone who fails to complete their mandatory workout since failure to exercise is unhealthy? Instead lets just take it to its natural conclusion and let everyone pay for their own health care and eat/drink whatever they please.
If the goal is to discourage soda consumption by making it more expensive, all they have to do is eliminate government corn subsidies. As many people have already commented on that NY Times article, this would raise the price of high fructose corn syrup, which would in turn make soda more expensive. It would also make a lot of other unhealthy food and beverages more expensive at the same time. The government won't do this, because this would not give them the excuse of extracting more money from us via the new tax.
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M$yet no smoker that I know of has even considered giving it up,
and, to the best of my knowledge, that tax has not helped anyone
(have States added "quit" programs either medically or in schools?
have the taxes gone to something that benefit everyone, such as paving roads?
(i.e., the so-called "asphalt-tar-for-cigarette-tar" tax)).
Likewise, any taxes on sodas or sweets would have a negligible effect.
Besides, who said that sodas are the prime reason for obesity?
Fast food, not to mention virtually unlimited supplies, at least in the USA,
and little self-control are far more responsible for obesity in youngsters and adults.
To be fair, people are "wired" to eat as much as is available
(think of your prehistoric ancestors, who had to fight tooth-and-nail for their next meal;
not too many chubby cavemen have been found, to date!).
However, modern man has no such rationale,
and, unfortunately, we can't tax lack of control or stupidity.
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M$One of the extra benefits of taxing people for stupid choices is that the more you do it the more stupid people pay in taxes and the less the rest of us have to pay. And, better yet, they continue to make unhealthy choices and die off.
Man alive, I completely agree! Who said that sodas are the cause of obesity?
The same people who are obese and indulging in regular sodas, are the same ones eating giant fast food meals, huge pizzas, bagels, donuts, and eight million other unhealthy habits. A lot of news stories have glommed on to the "link" between them all: POP! So that MUST be the culprit! Right?
WRONG!
It's not a healthy addition to the diet, but I'm a regular diet pop drinker and I'm sure not obese. How can that be? Because I make healthy choices in other ways: Small portions, lots of veggies, almost no fast food, and few desserts.
Anyone else feel like we're in the middle of a nutritional witch hunt?
Do we come to a point where we have to stand on a scale and get our blood pressure and blood sugar taken in order to tell what we can and can't eat?
Watch this:
http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf
It's really worth watching if you haven't seen it. No, I mean REALLY worth watching.
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M$The tax on gas is extremely low in the US, just a few cents per gallon, and people have come to drive gas guzzlers. In Europe, the tax on gas is quite high, equivalent to dollars per gallon, and people there have on the average bought high mileage per gallon economy cars.
"Cars average 36 mpg in Europe and 31 mpg in Japan vs. only 21 mpg in the United States. The reason is simple: Higher taxes..." money.cnn.com/2007/04/09/autos/pluggedin.../index.htm
I also doubt the tax is really to combat obesity. If it was then 100% of the money would go to that cause. I think this is just more smoke and mirrors to get the bill passed. Alcohol, tobacco, sugar, what's next?
http://ethicist.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/an-anti-tax-argument-thats-har...
and a HEAVY dose of personal opinion!
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M$Obesity related health care cost 78.5 billion dollars in 1998 and has been going up rapidly.
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/causes/economics.html
That it would make sense if only obese people need health care. As the obesity related health care is real and large, a tax is rational, whether you thing it would work or not.
What fact are you refuting?
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M$Having said all that, there is that critical part 'as long as what I drink or eat has negligible effect on others." In the tobacco lawsuits that resulted in large payouts by tobacco companies to the government, the premise resulting in those payouts was that the overall result of having people properly use the products in question was increased medical costs to Medicare and Medicaid. One can similarly make a valid argument that drinking sugary beverages increases costs to society through increased obesity rates and its resultant illnesses. In addition, sugary beverages are not a life necessity, so having their prices increase will not significantly damage any consumers who cannot afford the higher prices.
Whether the response should be taxation, or damages, is probably immaterial. If the latter are assessed, the companies in question will most likely raise prices, passing the cost to the consumer anyway. Morally however, I'd prefer the latter, as it puts the onus where it more properly belongs. The countervailing argument is that the cost of assessing a tax are much lower than the cost of litigation. Thus I'd say that taxation of sugary beverages is at least ethically and financially a viable proposition. Whether it is also legally and politically feasible is a separate issue.
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M$Discouraging unhealthy drinks by means of taxes has been a part of American tradition since the founding of the country. President Washington led the troops to put down a rebellion against the tax on whiskey in western Pennsylvania. That tax had been chosen because the founders of our country felt that whiskey was a harmful drink which was being abused by too many (as opposed to beer and wine, which they praised as healthy). They needed to tax something, and they picked whiskey because it was an unhealthy drink.
Taxing drinks with added sugar would benefit public health by reducing obesity. Sodas with sugar have no nutritional value and are addictive. That's one of the insidious things about sugar, it's a highly refined chemical which is addictive even though it starts as an ordinary natural product. Corn syrup is as bad: sucrose, fructose, and glucose are the three types of sugar which are overconsumed because they are sold and used in refined form.
Naturally any such tax would not stop people drinking sugared soda, wipe out obesity, or balance the budget. However, it would do a bit towards each. Taxes on tobacco have reduced smoking, saving many lives. Taxes on sugared drinks would reduce obesity and other sugar related health problems by reducing their consumption. That would save money on health care while the taxes would provide some money for other purposes. A one cent tax per can has been estimated at 15 billion dollars a year. Something like 25 cents a can would be more reasonable, and could generate about 375 billion dollars a year. That's a lot. In so far as the tax reduced consumption, the amount of the tax would go down but the amount saved in health care would go up. It's a win-win situation.
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M$By the way, I disagree with Mr Cohen mainly in that I think Coca-Cola C.E.O. Muhtar Kent ought to be executed. He is deliberately attempting to mislead people and the government for his own profit, just like the tobacco executives did. And, his product is statistically killing many people. If he didn't know, he'd have some excuse. But, the medical and public health experts agree so now he does know yet he continues to promote his unhealthy product. He doesn't even have the poor excuse that the tobacco folks did, in that they were fighting for their livelihood. Coca Cola could make plenty of profit on diet drinks alone, he just thinks he could make more by continuing the status quo.
I did mention that if the tax returns go down, that would mean savings in health care. As for shareholder value, if it goes down that's a good thing. The people who invest in tobacco, sugar, etc etc rather than finding ethical stocks deserve financial misfortune.
Keep in mind that whether the projections say $15 billion or $375 billion, they'll be less once you decrease total sales. On top of that though, think about how much destruction of shareholder value there will be. I'm not saying shareholder value is going down $375 billion, but you still have to factor it in.

FANTASTICALLY stated. If I could give it two helpful votes or more, I would.
You seem to be unwilling to admit that partial solutions are useful. That is not a constructive view. Take seatbelts for example, they do not prevent all traffic deaths, but they prevent many. Tobacco taxes have not wiped out smoking and lung cancer; but they have reduced smoking and saved lives. A tax on sugared drinks would reduce obesity and save lives, even though not everybody would become healthy. Education is fine but a carrot and stick approach is more effective.
Thanks, @michelleldevon!
@albanian , I think you mistake my point. I was not seeking to prove that partial solutions are useless. On the contrary, I think this solution would be EXTREMELY "useful" because I believe the government defines useful in this scenario as extracting money from the populace without regard to health. My point is that this type of "solution" is morally wrong, oppressive, exploits addicts and has no legitimate place in a supposedly free society. This sort of kick them while they are down tax is just a way for people to justify stealing money from those who make choices that they disagree with. It is the moral equivalent of a group of thugs waiting outside a convenience store and robbing soda drinkers as they leave and then claiming it is for their own good because they plan to give a portion of the stolen money to charity. After all, the group of muggers outnumbers each soda drinker so they must be morally superior and such behavior would indeed discourage some people from drinking soda.
I agree, sticks and clubs can be very effective in getting people to part with their money and this is why they are sometimes used by muggers to scare their victims into compliance.
All taxation except poll taxes influence personal choices. And, poll taxes are the most regressive taxes possible. There is nothing morally wrong in the government designing its taxes to promote the public's health, safety, or well being. It is particularly justifiable when the government winds up spending money on health care for the poor, aged, or desperate (which it in fact does even without a comprehensive health insurance) because of the unhealthy or dangerous choices that could be discouraged.