What CPM should I be asking from advertisers?
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I sold advertising on MySpace for a couple years and we charged anywhere from $.80 for remnant, pre-emptable inventory (300x250) all the way to $7 for a highly targeted placement.
A typical behavioral targeted ad was around $3.50 (300x250)
Pre-roll video is much higher, perhaps $10-15 CPM
Message me if you like and I can take you through most of it.
3 years in internet advertising
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M$You are getting large enough to interest a "rep firm', but they typically want at least one million uniques to attract "brand name" advertises.
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M$Anyway, to give you a benefit of the doubt. CPM ranges differently from keyword and niches.
For a blog that has news and celebrity info (entertainment) the CPM is lower. I don't know what advertising agency approached you, but on the leading CPM we have tried it's around .20 - 1 USD per CPM
Now if your niche is more target specific.. make the CPM 1 - 2 USD
I wouldn't be surprise if the advertiser who approached you will give you a very low CPM. Considering that the leading CPM companies don't approach a website instead they are the ones being approached.
Even so you said you have a million page views. (true/false)
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M$The reason I don't know CPM is that the site is a fun little side project that I threw some Adsense on and was pleased to see it cover costs. I'm reluctant to but big banner ads on it because I personally don't like advertising. The offered CPM from the company was $0.32 which isn't massively better than I'm doing with Adsense.
This month it's more likely to be around the 1.3 million pageview area considering we're only on the 16th and so far this month it's had 882,429.
If the point of your list is to generate traffic to your site, you should approach things a little differently. The name of the game is to feature scads of links to your own site, and few or none to other sites. Instead of including self-sufficient content, include only "teasers," or blurbs that whet the reader's appetite for more info. For example, instead of a couple of paragraphs announcing that your new widget can handle twice as much widgetry as the previous model, include just a short blurb that says something like "Would you like to be able to process twice as many widget-units in the same amount of time? Now you can! Click on over to the site to find out how."
As with a banner ad, the name of the game is enticing people to click, and marketing types study psychology to figure out ways to push peoples' buttons (or vice versa). People are suckers for questions, and of course for "special deals." Also, people are more likely to click if it sounds like they will "get" something. You and I know that all they're going to receive is information, but make it sound as if they're going to "get" some tangible benefit (a free goodie, a chance to win something, a sneak peek at something new, etc.).
A discussion list can also be a good traffic-generator. When someone asks a question on one of our Web Developer's Journal discussion lists, I don't have time to write out an answer for them, but I do have time to give them a link to an article on our Web site where the answer might be found. Monitoring a discussion list is also an excellent way to get ideas for new content. If you see lots of people asking about a certain topic (especially if they aren't getting many good answers), then that topic is a good candidate for a new article. In fact, sometimes list members post answers that are so well-written that they can serve as articles themselves. Of course, you must get the writer's permission to do this.
As mentioned above, your mailing list software can be set up to include a blurb of text at the end of each list message, and this blurb can be used to tout your site. Change the blurbs often, keep them short, and keep them relevant. If the blurb includes paid advertising, keep it very short. Advertisers will try to talk you into making them as long as they can get away with. Gently remind them that yours is not an "opt-in" spam list, but a valuable resource which is read by wealthy scuba divers (or whatever), and that if it begins to resemble spam, the readers will all disappear in a cloud of bubbles. Ref.>
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M$If they are not sure, give them a freebie of say one or two days. They can test it and after that pay or remove their ad. Simple. Forget CPM
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M$Then raise the rates a considerable amount more. They approached you, so they will probably accept your rate. If they don't, you can always negotiate. Just make sure that they're paying you more than Google AdSense is paying you.
Hope this helps :)
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M$Anyway, instead of CPM, I would think demanding a fixed monthly payment will be better both for you and your advertiser. This way, you do not need to install any system to track and report the page views to your advertiser (since you only got 1 advertiser). CPM could lead to argument if your advertiser receive too little traffic from you.
However, if you think that your site has higher potential, you should not agreed to any exclusive deals. Keeping AdSense on a less noticeable spot still enable you to keep your option open, as well as being able to see the trend in how your user interact with your site.
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M$How much are you making now with AdWords for your site? (No need to answer that.) Let's say it's $1000/month.
And you get 1 MM visitors / month. How much would you have to charge to make exactly what you're making now?
1,000,000 / 1,000 = 1,000 Which is the number of single M's you are serving up.
To make the same amount you're making now, you'd want to charge $1 CPM. That's our baseline and anything you get above it is moving in a positive direction.
Double it. In our scenario we make $1 CPM's worth of revenue, so ask for $2. Why double it and not triple, quadruple? Because it's an experiment. If the agency responds right away with a YES, then you can probably go higher with another agency down the road. This gives you a great starting point, and you've just doubled your revenue.
The friction in this situation comes from the idea of losing out on money you could be making. Remove this from the situation and create an experiment-rich atmosphere.
If the $2 isn't accepted, you should be given something below that and you'll still be making more than you already are. If you're offered less than $1 (your baseline) then you're better off with AdWords for now.
Congrats on such a popular site! Keep your eye on the sky!
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M$Since the site is only a hobby (and certainly not doing $1000 a month, yet) I also need to weigh up if a doubling of the revenue is worth it to go from nice discrete Adsense ads to 300x250 image ads. Personally, for doubling the revenue it wouldn't make enough of a difference to me to "sell out" like that.
You can get some idea of the value of your site by running ads through Google AdSense. This market is primarily considered "residual" advertising - advertisers expect a fairly substantial discount from the direct advertising buys that they make.
I run social bookmarking site, Faves.com. As a social networking type site, we appeal to a "general internet audience", and as such can't expect much of a premium over residual ad rates.
We have historically been able to sell ads between $1 and $2 CPM - with a very similar audience size to your site.
The best way to set your price is to get multiple clients bidding for placement. By running AdSense, I know it's not really worth talking to anyone to replace my AdSense inventory unless they're ready to pay be substantially more than $2 CPM.
I would also warn you to beware of unsolicited advertisers. Many of them are running scams and will try to place Flash ads on your site that contain viruses or other mal-ware. It's worth it to do your homework to verify that your buyer is legitimate, and has a history of paying their invoices in a timely manner.
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M$Established sites usually ask for about $40 per 60000 impressions
I would say the latter about $40 per 60000 impressions
I aslo think you should check out buysellads.com. it is an ad marketplace where people buy and sell ad space. You should get a good idea about what to charge them and get good comps. By comps I mean sites that have similar site statistics for you to compare your site with.
Buysellads.com
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M$Who sells in lots of 60,000 impressions ?
At $10 per 60K your eCPM is $.167
At $40 it's still only $.67
I don't think this is good advice at all. Ad networks sell remnant traffic for right around $.50, he ought to be able to get a premium over that by selling direct
If he sells direct and not thru a third party yes. Company's do sell in these increments I don't know what you're talking about. Yes CPM means per 1000 impressions. But companty's can choose to sell in whatever amounts they want Thank You!!! Go to buysellads.com you'll see Flint doesn't know what he is talking about.
The must important is when an advertiser buy an ad make sure you contact him and get his feedback. Did he get great result or not. Maybe you will have to change the ad format or placement. On top of that remember the advertiser is king so gives him after 1 month of great service a bundle package for multiple months….
www.google.com/adplanner
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Any other demographic considerations on your site, or behavioral? Will they be taking 100% Share Of Voice?
How much are you making on adsense?
If you don't have a specific demo that would be highly responsive to niche advertising (video game site, fashion blog, sports site etc...) then I'd guess you could get around $2-3 CPM, IF you can deliver CTR's in the range of .08-.12 % If you can deliver higher CTR's like .2-.3% then you can get more, maybe $3-4
Site is essentially 100% Twitter users. They are looking to place 300x250 above the fold and they would be the sole advertiser, assuming I remove the current Adsense units.
Good answer, Flint.
Audience breakdown: http://www.quantcast.com/twitlonger.com
Adsense is coming in at around $0.15 eCPM with a single, below the fold ad unit. I'm not particularly keen on having advertising on the site unless it is going to be significantly better than what I'm making with Adsense, which is nicely unobtrusive and I don't need to do any work for :)