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What cars were sold in the US with engines 1.2L or smaller for or after MY2001?

We've got a spot in the 2010 Mongol Rally, and now we need to find a vehicle. We know we could find one in the UK, but if we can get it here, and then later ship across the pond, it'd give us few more months to prep. So far all I've found is the Chevy Metro. We'd like something w/ RWD, but I fear no such vehicle exists in the states unless we shell out for a new Smart Fortwo.
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ocha | 2 years, 8 months ago
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Suzuki Splash . Might be an option to look into.
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=161645

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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

Unfortunately, not a car available in the US. While there are many small cars available outside the US, the challenge here is to find one that can be found, purchased, and registered in the US.

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ckieffer | 2 years, 8 months ago
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I believe one would be a Yugo, but if you are looking into Chevy, I would say the Chevy Aveo is even smaller then the metro. Also this year Volkswagen has announced a 1.2L TSI, and Chevy has announced a 1.2L Spark.
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Volkswagen answer came from here :
www.autobloggreen.com/2009/05/18/volkswagen-announces-new-1-2l-tsi-and-1-6l-tdi-engines/

Chevy Answer came from here:
www.thetorquereport.com/2009/02/geneva_09_preview_2010_chevy_s.html

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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

Yugos haven't been sold new in the US since the early 90s, so I'm not too hopeful about finding a post MY2001 around for cheap.
The Aveo runs w/ a 1.5L engine, so no luck there.
In the article you linked to about the Spark, US launch date is 2011, well past the start of the rally.
The VW engines, I believe, are also only slated for EU release. That makes sense since Europeans love small engines and love diesels.

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techjk | 2 years, 5 months ago
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Chevy Aveo is a great candidate.
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epicurus | 2 years, 8 months ago
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Mini cooper is a car with small engine , there are many mini in he US because of it's popularity . check also mini bmw. follow links source

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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

In the US the new Mini was never offered w/ an engine smaller than 1.6L. While the Mini is a small car, it's engine is way outside the required parameters. Cars like the Echo, Yaris, and Civic all offer 1.5L engines, which while still outside my required parameters, are still small than the Mini

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theearlyshow | 2 years, 8 months ago
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Of course there is the Honda Insight (1.0)

I don't know how likely it would be, but some models like the Fit have been sold in Canada with smaller engines than what's been avail here. Considering you're planning on shipping it across the pond anyways, it could be a reasonable idea.

Insane on how they've raised the displacement such a mediocre amount when bringing most of the high econ cars here. What's the real difference in 1.2 and 1.3 anyways? 1.3 of course would have opened a few more possibilities, but since '01 it takes out a lot of the easy ones. (Justy, Swift, Areo)
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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

Yeah, there's the insight, but two big problems. First, they're pricey. Often going for more than what a new smart would cost. And final, we'll be driving from the UK to Mongolia through the middle east and central asia. The last vehicle you want out there is one that relies on complex drivetrain management. A hybrid would be tempting fate. (Plus, I'm not sure if we were to donate a complex hybrid vehicle to a mongolian they'd ever be able to fix it when something goes wrong, much less get the parts.)
The Canadian Fit is a good suggestion, except when I went to the honda site all the certified used fits listed were 1.5L, and wikipedia says the 1.2L fit was Europe only. Perhaps a few were imported to Canada, but they seem as about available as skodas are down here in the states.

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onek | 2 years, 8 months ago
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It's really difficult to find small engine cars in the US due to federal regulations. The Geo seems to be one of a few options, others being used smart cars (probably the best choice in price/quality ratings).

Cars that sell in Europe with 1.2l engines (Honda, Skoda, etc) either are not sold in the US or have at least a 1.5l engine. Maybe you'll be able to find a Lada or a Skoda that has been imported into the US (there are some enthusiasts of those brands there).

My money would be on a used Skoda (good cars, VW based, and they already have some rally history behind them).

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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

I like the suggestion, but doesn't quite provide what I need. I know the difficultly of finding small cheap vehicles in the US. To retrofit an import to DOT standards often costs in excess of $6,000. Such costs are passed onto later purchasers. Since we'll be donating the vehicle in the end, we need to affordability of vehicles sold in the US as the question requested.

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jakalwarrior | 2 years, 8 months ago
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I don't think you'll have much luck finding a rear wheel drive model with less than 1.2 liters. Another one to add to the list though would be the Honda Insight. It is a hybrid and had a 1 liter engine in past years.

The price of getting your car across the pond might make it better economically to wait and buy a car in Europe though I do agree more time to prep would help. Perhaps do an engine transplant in a car? is that legal? what about de-stroking it with a crank from a different version of the engine or maybe even having the crank modified? I'm not sure it would be in the spirit of the event though :(

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pntz | 2 years, 8 months ago Report

Honda Insight + Mongol Rally = Certain doom. I like the suggestion of the Insight, but it's inflated resale value, along w/ near impossibility of self-service, make it very ill suited for a rallying vehicle.
Yeah, all signs point to getting a car in Europe being easier, but we want the prep time. There's an exception to the rule for emergency vehicles, so after neat conclusively determining that no car available in the US will suit our needs, we're presently looking at ambulances. It all really comes down to cost.

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