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What are your thoughts on "Ida" the media darling touted as the missing link?

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badaspie | 2 years, 11 months ago
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Ida is an interesting fossil from an interesting period in primate evolution, but the mass-media hype about a "missing link" in the popular sense of the word is way off the mark. Ida is a 50-million-year-old primate which may be an ancestor of modern anthropoids (monkeys, apes, and humans), or may not. Some of Ida's distinguishing features may be the result of distortion of the bones during the fossilization process, and the fossil will need to be studied much more thoroughly before any conclusions can be drawn about its exact place on the evolutionary tree. However, caution and nuance are alien concepts to the mass media while sound bites and buzzwords are red meat; and a "missing link" is more like to attract attention (and controversy, and ratings) than an "early primate which might be an ancestor to modern apes and humans, but we're really not sure yet."

Either way, Ida has no direct relevance to human evolution, which separated from chimpanzee evolution only about 6-7 million years ago. By choosing an attention-grabbing buzzword, however, the media also managed to confuse the timeline by more than 40 million years. It may be wrong, but it helped attract attention, and too many reporters are too ignorant of basic science to know the difference.

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cacarr | 2 years, 11 months ago Report

Well put.

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cacarr | 2 years, 11 months ago
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It's likely to prove to be an important find, particularly if you are a primatologist. The "missing link" label is meaningless marketing gibberish.

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matthewh | 2 years, 11 months ago
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Realistically, this is not a huge discovery. Sure, it confirms what scientists have believed for years: that we evolved from primates. The Ida thing is just another example of overreaction by the scientifically naive media. Ida is a well-preserved fossil, but it doesn't change anything scientists already knew about human evolution. Ida is about 50 million years old, but ancestral humans diverged from the rest of the primates only about 6 million years ago (based on fossil and DNA evidence). Some scientists believe that Ida represents an early and direct ancestor of all apes, including humans; but others believe the fossil is from a different branch of the primate tree.

As for Ida's effect on religion, I guess there might be one if the religion in question believed in a unique interpretation of mammalian evolution near the Paleocene-Eocene boundary. Otherwise, it seems pretty irrelevant. Religions that already deny evolution consider all fossil interpretations to be suspect anyway, and Ida will probably be no exception.

Not to mention, there have been numerous Missing Links over the years. There is not just one, and we have found many of them. It's almost like counting every number between 1 and 2. There are countless numbers in between, just as there are numerous missing links. But the discovery of more and more makes it all the more likely that we evolved from primates.

I hope I helped; have a great day!!!

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lon | 2 years, 11 months ago Report

Matthew -

Great answer. Appreciated.

One thing...It seems like some of your answer was quoting this response from user @badaspie:

http://www.mahalo.com/answers/science-and-mathematics/this-is-two-tiny-questions-did-who-declare-swine-flu-a-level-6-pandemic-also-do-you-think-the-discovery-of-ida-will-change-society-and-how

I have absolutely no problem with quoting a different Mahalo Answers thread. We have a lot of really knowledgeable community members and they can be a great resource.

But in the future, I'd suggest doing two things:

(1) Adding quote marks around quoted material, so people can see the difference between your own writing and an outside resource

(2) Providing a link back to where you found the information

(In truth, #2 is always a good idea whenever you're citing an outside source, rather than your own personal knowledge).

Thanks again for the great answer and for all of your active and helpful participation on Mahalo Answers. And congrats on almost getting your purple belt!

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nushka | 2 years, 11 months ago Report

Actually, we ARE primates. The rest of the answer is flawless. Nice to meet you.

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matthewh | 2 years, 11 months ago Report

All in all, the discovery did fill in a small piece of the evolutionary puzzle. But we really haven't learned much of anything new from the discovery.

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matthewh | 2 years, 11 months ago Report

True haha. Nice to meet you too. Thanks for the compliment!

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hlruther | 2 years, 11 months ago
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Yeah, I agree that the missing link thing is kind of silly. However, wow! To think it's amazing that it's even possible for a fossil to remain intact over millions of years like Ida did.

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