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What are the Somalia Pirates fighting for?

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albanian | 3 years, 1 month ago
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The pirates are fighting for money. Specifically, personal profit.

This is not due to a lack of things to fight for in the area. They could fight against the Islamic fanatics that will probably kill them and their families eventually. They could fight against the corrupt attempts at government. They could fight against assorted invaders or drug smugglers or evil warlords. But rather than any of those things, they fight unarmed sailors to hold them for ransom.

Oddly enough, the main beneficiaries are tuna. Tuna are in danger of being wiped out by massive factory fishing. But the fishing ships are steering clear of a big chunk of ocean now and the tuna have what is almost a much needed de facto sanctuary.
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morriss003 | 3 years, 1 month ago
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They are after money. Somalia is a failed state. There is no real government, no security, no industry. In this situation, the some of the people are turning to the only available commercial possibility. When it's your family at stake, you will do almost anything.

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philipy | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

Yes, for a lot of young kids, the only way they get to eat is to sign up with their local warlord.

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interzone | 3 years, 1 month ago
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They are fighting for bare survival, trying to adapt to the circumstances as best they can.

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dumblonde | 3 years, 1 month ago
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I don't know. This question is as generic and hard to answer as asking what are terrorists after. Everyone has their own agendas. Obviously for many, the purpose seems to be profit from ransoms. Perhaps others want to protect the waters from foreigners. But they don't seem to be organized. There are different gangs after different things. Some are even rumored to be funded by wealthy people in the UAE (almost like those with letters of marque back in the day!)

And of course there's also the fact that Somalia is a completely failed state without any way to enforce laws. And I think pirate gangs have replaced the state in a sense, enforcing their own rules and just organizing into something, creating their own mini pirate societies. "Pirates at first were interested in securing the waters before businessmen and militias became involved." -Wikipedia
But there isn't a central pirate authority so you can't be clear on what they're after.

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nushka | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

The lack of a central pirate authority is a key point. At least it is not as famous as other beligerant group leaders.

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drmatt | 3 years, 1 month ago
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From the YouTube clip, the Somalia Pirates are looking for ransom money. 30Million last year.

I find the excuse that they're making that the pirates are doing this because of illegal fishing or being a garbage dump is ridiculous. Illegally seizing commercial liners is not a way to get attention.

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philipy | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

The guy in the video is not a spokesman for the pirates, and he isn't excusing them. All he is saying is the media never covers the evil that is done to Somalia by outsiders who take advanatge of the chaos there as much as the pirates do. And he's right, I've never heard of that stuff before.

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nushka | 3 years, 1 month ago
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I don't think we should expect that all of them would fight for the same reasons. Money may be the primary reason for some but there are other ways (both legal and not) to make it. Piracy may not be as organized as we think, obviously not as organized as the "families" that do someone elses's dirty work.

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nushka | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

I realize there should be a certain degree of organization but maybe not enough to consider that they all fight for a common cause.

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philipy | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

There aren't a whole of ways to make money in Somalia. It's a little bit like Mad Max out there. But the piracy is organised crime.

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nushka | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

@xds: would you like to explain your opinion about my answer?

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philipy | 3 years, 1 month ago Report

They're not fighting for a cause. As far as I know, they are organised crime just like the Mafia or drug traffickers. Obviously like those they are not all in one big gang either. They may even be financed by international criminals

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7623329.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7734985.stm

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lawstudent | 3 years, 1 month ago
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Money, Money, Money. The pirates are trying to get money from the shipping companies who own the ships. Up until this weekend there hasn't been much resistance from governmental agencies. Somalia is essentially a failed state. There is no government to speak of.

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the_dreamer | 2 years, 3 months ago
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First, it should be known that Somalis and the pirates do not call themselves pirates. In its beginnings (early 1990s), Somali fishermen were frustrated by foreign ships that dumped their toxic waste into Somalia's waters. These ships belonged to successful Western companies. In other areas of Somalia's coast, other countries' ships (Korean ships often did this) would overfish - without permission - in Somalia's waters. The civil war just broke out and the economy was doing very poorly. It's was and still is difficult to get a job in Somalia so many rely on what little they could do to provide for their families. So this greatly frustrated fishermen who depending on whatever they could fish to make a living.

Somalia took its case to the UN, who repeatedly ignored its claims of foreign ships taking advantage of its powerless - by polluting the waters and killing fish (and many children who went into the waters became sick after swimming) and overfishing. The UN refused to investigate the matter. So the fishermen decided to take matters into their own hands and keep out and intruders. They did not kill intruders however. In the past, they were known as Somalia's unofficial coast guards.

It was recently realized that people can make a lot of money from ransoming people who intrude in Somalia's waters. So warlords who rule the cities of the especially chaotic south of the country sent their followers to the northern coasts to kidnap and ransom intruders. It is these people who are do what pirates are known to do - rob at sea. However, even these people did not kill their victims and even made sure to have enough food and alcohol (Somalis are Muslims and so alcohol is hard to find in the country) to offer the victims, as they wanted to treat whatever would result in a large amount of money well.

However, due to propaganda of Western media (easily the most influential media in the world), the background of Somali pirates are not known and instead are said to be random thieves who ought to be controlled. No one ever seems to care to mention about the issues that resulted in this piracy and how to deal with it. Instead, it seems that Somalis are expected to just let others take advantage of their waters while they watch their waters continuously being polluted. Right now, the US Navy is stationed in Somalia's waters, killing any and all "pirates" on sight. There is no mention of whether or not foreign ships in Somalia's waters are being dealt with but something tells me that they are not.
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I know quite a bit about the matters of my country. Unfortunately, most people seem to believe everything they hear in the media when the media is biased and has its motives. Ever wonder why a country is ever portrayed as somehow evil or corrupt before a war in America's media (or any country's media) or right before America plans to meddle in its political affairs (with the motives of doing so are questionable)? It's propaganda. It's always best to read the background of the history of such things to avoid being misled by the media.

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kineticcutter | 3 years, 1 month ago
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A bullet in the head apparently.

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