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Those are quite a few interesting quesitons.
I did read an article about this recently online
http://uweekly.com/newsmag/05-27-2009/11289
and I have had to deal with this issue recently with a family member.
I would put this dilemma into two categories. Emotional and financial.
The financial side of someones legacy should be simple. Even if they have an online account with their bank, they have also signed a piece of paper when opening that account stating that someone would have access in this type of situation. And when the bank closes the account, you no longer have to worry about the online side of it.
This would also be true for any financial institution that you have dealt with in person.
For other things like... a Mahalo account, I would just make sure that someone close to me has the username/password and will notify them if/when the time comes.
I would only use a company like Legacy Locker if there were just too many accounts connected to Adsense and Paypal, or if you didn't have someone close to you who can handle it.
(I do see where this company can and does come in very handy!)
The emotional side of this is more complicated.
My brother passed away almost two years ago and left quite a few people in the dark. We did not have his usernames/passwords to these accounts.
For many years he worked within the global online chess community. He was a chess champion and would frequently travel within the California and Nevada circuits. I did contact the main website that he would often teach and coach on, but because he was so well known, I still had to deal with phone calls a year later from chess players across the country who didn't see the mention of his passing on the site.
We were not able to access his email or other personal accounts, so I'm sure he's still floating out there to some degree.
I agree with you that if someone has a following, they should be honored, but the best way to do this would be to plan ahead of time (by the honoree).
If I only had 6 months to live, I would be typing until my last breath, but would have also given all my internet information to someone so that they can shut off the appropriate accounts after me.
I can see many variations of this type of business opening up, or at lease options of how to handle it on the internet. Because when someone passes away, there are many unique ways of handling that persons legacy and honoring them when they are gone.
Regarding your header. I don't think we will ever know the exact percentage of profiles or accounts that are still out there after a person passes away, but you can bet that the number gets bigger every year.
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For accounts that are not that important, say message board accounts or a blog that is rarely used, I think these things can remain in place. No need to delete them. They can stay online forever or until inactivity causes them to be deleted.
If someone has a large following an say a blog and that blog is passed on to someone through the will, I think it would be appropriate for that person to post a final article as a tribute to the one who passed away.
You bring up a good point that is someone knows they are nearing the end, they should make arrangements to close or transfer online accounts, the same as they would do for real life accounts.
As for statistics, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing since the internet is relatively new, most people who have accounts are still alive. There would be a small percentage of young people with accounts who died prematurely. Once the internet generation gets old, I can see this becoming a much bigger issue than it is today.
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I think the percentage of dead people who still have accounts on social networking sites varies by the service and its policies. Facebook, for example, used to have a policy where they would delete profiles of any users who had died. However, after the Virginia Tech shootings a couple of years ago, they changed the policy so that deceased users' profiles would enter a "memorial" state -- the user may not add any more friends, and the privacy settings would all get set to "friends only," but the profile would remain intact for friends and family to view and leave wall messages and the like.
I think it is important for people to consider what would happen to their social networking profiles and other online assets after their death. I've thought about this very issue and I plan to eventually put together a list of all my important online accounts and passwords (as well as offline bank accounts, etc.) and lock it in a safe deposit box or someplace like that to be opened in case of my death. I'd leave it up to my family to decide whether to delete those accounts or not. I can see both sides of it: a Facebook account can become a great way for friends of a dead person to connect with each other and honor the deceased, or it can be a painful reminder of a loved one's death. As I'll be dead, I see no reason not to let them make whatever decision helps them in their grieving process.
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A more interesting question might then be; what becomes of social networking profiles when their original curators die?
I'm not sure our legal system is quite prepared to deal with this question, though I'm sure it won't be too long until it comes up.
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Personally since 2005, I have a secured flash drive in the safe with our (me and my wife) online profiles. I have told my wife to take "care" of it if something happens to me. I implemented this after I met with a car accident in 2004 and my wife was abroad.
I have updated the list couple of times, but it's time to update it for this year with my "Mahalo account" and few others.
I am not sure whether I am ready yet to use online services like Legacy locker.
Should this be part of the Will?
I am not sure this situation is covered in the " term and conditions" , because I have never read any to its entirety. Maybe I will check for those terms from now on.
What if someone hacks these profiles and takes over?
Ghosts in the Machines
http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=8182
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June 23, 2009 12:50 PM
What percent of people who have Web 2.0 or social networking profiles on the Internet are no longer alive?
How do you or would you go about passing along your digital assets in cloud computing or cookies on your web browser, or items on your computer's hard drive? What do you think of such services as Legacy Locker? Also answer, what are your thoughts about honoring the dead on the Internet in Web 2.0? Should someone be honored when they die on the Internet? Should it be the responsibility for the site to honor their death, or should websites in Web 2.0 not say anything when someone dies? If someone knew they only had 6 months to live, should they go out and deactivate or delete their accounts? Should Mahalo Answers delete their account if they found out they passed away or keep their account? Should someone living be in charge of the account of a dead person? Are there any statistics of people who have online identity who have passed away? What do people think about honoring the dead in general on the Internet?
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I did read an article about this recently online
http://uweekly.com/newsmag/05-27-2009/11289
and I have had to deal with this issue recently with a family member.
I would put this dilemma into two categories. Emotional and financial.
The financial side of someones legacy should be simple. Even if they have an online account with their bank, they have also signed a piece of paper when opening that account stating that someone would have access in this type of situation. And when the bank closes the account, you no longer have to worry about the online side of it.
This would also be true for any financial institution that you have dealt with in person.
For other things like... a Mahalo account, I would just make sure that someone close to me has the username/password and will notify them if/when the time comes.
I would only use a company like Legacy Locker if there were just too many accounts connected to Adsense and Paypal, or if you didn't have someone close to you who can handle it.
(I do see where this company can and does come in very handy!)
The emotional side of this is more complicated.
My brother passed away almost two years ago and left quite a few people in the dark. We did not have his usernames/passwords to these accounts.
For many years he worked within the global online chess community. He was a chess champion and would frequently travel within the California and Nevada circuits. I did contact the main website that he would often teach and coach on, but because he was so well known, I still had to deal with phone calls a year later from chess players across the country who didn't see the mention of his passing on the site.
We were not able to access his email or other personal accounts, so I'm sure he's still floating out there to some degree.
I agree with you that if someone has a following, they should be honored, but the best way to do this would be to plan ahead of time (by the honoree).
If I only had 6 months to live, I would be typing until my last breath, but would have also given all my internet information to someone so that they can shut off the appropriate accounts after me.
I can see many variations of this type of business opening up, or at lease options of how to handle it on the internet. Because when someone passes away, there are many unique ways of handling that persons legacy and honoring them when they are gone.
Regarding your header. I don't think we will ever know the exact percentage of profiles or accounts that are still out there after a person passes away, but you can bet that the number gets bigger every year.
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June 23, 2009 02:32 PM
Good question. Important accounts such as online banking, websites, or anything with a lot of valuable personal information should be left to someone in a will, just like physical assets. For accounts that are not that important, say message board accounts or a blog that is rarely used, I think these things can remain in place. No need to delete them. They can stay online forever or until inactivity causes them to be deleted.
If someone has a large following an say a blog and that blog is passed on to someone through the will, I think it would be appropriate for that person to post a final article as a tribute to the one who passed away.
You bring up a good point that is someone knows they are nearing the end, they should make arrangements to close or transfer online accounts, the same as they would do for real life accounts.
As for statistics, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing since the internet is relatively new, most people who have accounts are still alive. There would be a small percentage of young people with accounts who died prematurely. Once the internet generation gets old, I can see this becoming a much bigger issue than it is today.
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June 23, 2009 02:42 PM
As more of our overall communication and social interaction moves to the web, it's only natural that we will use this technology to honor and remember the dead as well. Already it is quite common, especially among younger people, to create a Facebook group or something similar for friends and family to share memories and photos of someone who has recently died. I don't think this is inappropriate at all. Obviously it won't (and shouldn't) replace more traditional ceremonies of grief such as a funeral, but it can act as a supplemental way to help people share their feelings, even when separated by great distances. I think the percentage of dead people who still have accounts on social networking sites varies by the service and its policies. Facebook, for example, used to have a policy where they would delete profiles of any users who had died. However, after the Virginia Tech shootings a couple of years ago, they changed the policy so that deceased users' profiles would enter a "memorial" state -- the user may not add any more friends, and the privacy settings would all get set to "friends only," but the profile would remain intact for friends and family to view and leave wall messages and the like.
I think it is important for people to consider what would happen to their social networking profiles and other online assets after their death. I've thought about this very issue and I plan to eventually put together a list of all my important online accounts and passwords (as well as offline bank accounts, etc.) and lock it in a safe deposit box or someplace like that to be opened in case of my death. I'd leave it up to my family to decide whether to delete those accounts or not. I can see both sides of it: a Facebook account can become a great way for friends of a dead person to connect with each other and honor the deceased, or it can be a painful reminder of a loved one's death. As I'll be dead, I see no reason not to let them make whatever decision helps them in their grieving process.
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http://www.nytimes.com/uwire/uwire_VPBN11272007877044.html?ei=5034&en=3...
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June 23, 2009 03:10 PM
Technically, none of them "have" profiles: they "had" them when they were alive. A more interesting question might then be; what becomes of social networking profiles when their original curators die?
I'm not sure our legal system is quite prepared to deal with this question, though I'm sure it won't be too long until it comes up.
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June 24, 2009 01:51 PM
I had the same question when my coworker died of cardiac arrest recently. He was very online active and had left his profiles all over. I still see his profile on Linkedin and other site with the static info. I am not sure if his wife knows about this, or maybe they just wanted to leave it as it is in his memory. Personally since 2005, I have a secured flash drive in the safe with our (me and my wife) online profiles. I have told my wife to take "care" of it if something happens to me. I implemented this after I met with a car accident in 2004 and my wife was abroad.
I have updated the list couple of times, but it's time to update it for this year with my "Mahalo account" and few others.
I am not sure whether I am ready yet to use online services like Legacy locker.
Should this be part of the Will?
I am not sure this situation is covered in the " term and conditions" , because I have never read any to its entirety. Maybe I will check for those terms from now on.
What if someone hacks these profiles and takes over?
Ghosts in the Machines
http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=8182
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One thing that we don't give much thought to is that nowadays we can easily have friends that don't even know our real name, and who we never meet in person. Or just as common, have people that we once knew through school, work, etc that we longer meet face to face but are only in contact with via email or Facebook or whatever.
Certainly I have some good friends that maybe I would never hear about their passing away if not via Facebook, since their family wouldn't know to contact me, or how to.
I'm not sure about telling people your passwords. That's a bit like telling people your PIN numbers, in some cases literally so. With the added complication that accounts and passwords may change quite often.
You're right about names, but I have never hid behind my current name. You can see my full name on my facebook page from my profile here.
It's maybe ok if it's the password to an unimportant site where no harm can be done, and you don't use the same password for any other site.
But is easy to underestimate how much harm could be done by a password in the wrong hands. Someone can talk to your kids or your girlfriend and they think it's coming from you? Could be very dangerous.