Was Pakistan right to ban Facebook?
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Yes because people in Pakistan are mostly Muslim. And they have a right to be protected from these certain types of things. Its going against their religion and if I was the government, I would have banned it too
And No, because there are also people there who don't really care about these kind of things. They just want to keep in touch with their friends, family and reletives around the world and they have a right to do that.
I personally think that they shouldn't have banned it. There are plenty of ways to get rid of that group. Whoevers a muslim should just report the group and eventually, the group will get banned.
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M$It is a typical act of censorship by an oppressive regime.
Many Pakistani people would have been offended if they had seen drawings of Mohammed. But, of course, they would not have seen any unless they went out of their way to find them. They should have had the option of looking if they wanted, or not looking, as would have been more likely.
If they did look, it would possibly strengthen their realization that not everyone likes or respects their religion. Surrounded by other Moslems with censored press and media they probably have the gut feeling that everyone is Islamic, even though they may know that there are other religions out there in the world. The religious leaders don't want that, and pressured the goverment into yet another outrageous act of censorship.
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M$If people like Thunderf00t from Youtube are the proponents of freedom of speech , then give me a pass; that's bigotry at best
Instead, listen to this guy; he explains historically what is the significance of drawing of Mohammed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvPqNQOaJTA&feature=related
As for Pakistan, I think that was a smart decision The majority of them are Muslims and believers in God. It was a peaceful act of protest against irresponsible people. Also, it's only temporary
some tweets
everybody draw Muhammad day is possibly the worst idea I've ever heard. I'm all for free speech, but this crosses the line.(Steven Keithley)
I was born Jewish, but don't believe in anything, really. Religion is not part of my life. That said, "Draw Muhammad" day is asinine.(Molly)
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Your US supposedly “Free Speech” government has 123 counts of removal request and 3580 data request to Google from Jul 1, 2009 to Dec 31, 2009.
US has a workaround method for that, it is called DMCA.
Censorship by Google to comply with DMCA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google#USA
Smart move, it will then not be called “oppression” and some US peoples will then feel superior of their “free speech country”.. :-)
In the USA flag burning, racial slurs, and Holocaust denial are all legal, and those who express such ideas are not assassinated and no one calls for their assassination. That is what free speech is about, the right to put your ideas good, bad, or indifferent out there for the public to consider.
Would it be another kind of tyranny and hegemony in forcing US model and value system to the rest of the world ?
Does US earn the rights to force its US model just because it is such a “successful” and “prosperous” country ?
"Why is "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" different? Because the taboo against depictions of Muhammad is not a part of America's common culture. The taboos against flag burning, racial slurs and Holocaust denial are. The problem with the "in-your-face message" of "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is not just that it is inconsiderate of the sensibilities of others, but that it defines those others--Muslims--as being outside of our culture, unworthy of the courtesy we readily accord to insiders. It is an unwise message to send, assuming that one does not wish to make an enemy of the entire Muslim world."(Wall Street Journal)
Read more:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703465204575208100160425826.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion
Many cartoonists also stand against a a campaign, not because they don't have balls, but because it is against their beliefs. Molly Norris, the original poster writes:
"The results have shown to be vitriolic and worse, offensive to Muslims who had nothing to do with the censorship issue I was inspired to draw about in the first place."
"I feel that "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" is wrong, childish and needlessly provocative."(cartoonist, San-Diego )
Read more:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2010/05/their_turn_12_top_cartoonists.html
And lastly, you talk about a Danish cartoonist, not Dutch one.
"US is not the only civilized country in the world.
Many Europe countries have hate speech laws, they see a need for that to ensure “morality, public order and the general welfare” in a democratic society. This is not "oppression"."
YES, that is oppression. Muzzling a group of people because you don't like what they say........what else would you call that!!!
Well, Pakistan has never had freedom of speech really. This is a response to the Dutch Cartoonist who had his work pulled, and no newspaper in America had the balls to reprint his caricature of Muhammad. But freedom of expression DOES mean you can insult what others love. Its not "Freedom of Speech (that everyone has to like)" its just Freedom of speech.
Too bad. Muslims who don't endorse the censorship looked the other way and let the extremists rule their religion. So, they're just as responsible, indifference is no excuse.
It is not a matter of forcing a model. It is a matter of a universal right to free speech, which is absolutely necessary for ideas to be considered and civilization to progress. Other countries' cultures may freely speak their opinions here, excepting only direct incitement to violence. They need to allow freedom of speech in their own countries or they will stagnate and suffer under oppression.
Let the other countries suffer their supposedly "oppression", including the US ally Pakistan.
Some more reading for you:
"Why are you so keen to mock Muhammad?"
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/8894/
and
"Is it a lack of tolerance to threaten a cartoonist with death or set his house on fire? Absolutely. Is it a lack of tolerance to knowingly incite others to violence because you think virtue in on your side? Absolutely, yes again. Do extremist groups feed off this kind of fear-mongering? Of course, and it cuts both ways, because tolerance also requires balance. (History News Network http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/126905.html )
An interesting news:
US cartoonist apologises over Facebook Muhammad row
Even the cartoonist whose cartoon inspired the “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” has apologized for her role in the controversy.
It seems that not only Prophet Muhammad are drawn on the page. Characters from many other religions are drawn too.
Excerpt:
“Molly Norris drew a cartoon in April to protest against the decision by a US television channel to cancel an episode of the popular show South Park because of a contentious depiction of the Prophet Muhammad.
In her cartoon, Ms Norris satirically proposed May 20 as an Everybody Draw Muhammad Day.
The idea inspired a separate Everybody Draw Muhammad Day group on Facebook which rapidly gained in popularity.
The page contains drawings and cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad and characters from other religions, including Hinduism and Christianity. Depictions of the Prophet are forbidden in Islam.
Ms Norris says that she had nothing to do with the page even though her name was posted on it. Some media reports implied that she had set up the Facebook campaign.
"I never started a Facebook page; I never set up any place for people to send drawings to and I never received any drawings," she said on her blog.
She apologised for her role in the controversy and said that the content of the page was "offensive to Muslims who did nothing to endanger our right to expression in the first place".
Universal Declaration of Human Rights has limitations set forth by Article 29.2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Article 29.2
In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
Some countries have “hate speech laws”, which are in scope with this Article 29.2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Maybe US thinks it doesn’t need. That’s its discretion.
US is not the only civilized country in the world.
Many Europe countries have hate speech laws, they see a need for that to ensure “morality, public order and the general welfare” in a democratic society. This is not "oppression".
It is wrong to use violence against peaceful people. That is not a moral principle that I'm willing to compromise on. Arguing the reverse makes you a bad person. Threatening the creators of South Park, slitting the throat of a dutch director, or stabbing to death the translator of Satanic verses, are simply NOT ACCEPTABLE behaviors.
Being OFFENDED is not a crime, VIOLENCE IS. In fact, being offended can be a great thing. You look at the most offensive things in western history: Origin of Species, Heliocentric Model, 95 Theses, etc. Were these not hallmarks of our Civilization? Hell, Christians were made to be EATEN ALIVE by LIONS because they were so "offensive" to the Romans.
Everything that matters and will ever matter, offends someone.
"You must never be afraid to go there." - Harlan Ellison
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I'm confused wy, whats your point?
Are you arguing that Muslims hurting peaceful people is ok because Christians did it too?? I mention the Heliocentric model offended in my post... are you saying its OK to burn people alive because you're offended?
Exactly WY, those are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.
Some of my views:
1. Violence is a crime, some Muslims, Romans, Christians have committed to the crime.
(I just complete the “story” since you have mentioned “offences” to Christianity)
2. Things that matter may offend someone but not all things that matter may.
3. Some of the offending may be a “crime” or at least not appropriate.
4. Violence on offence, though is wrong, but may not mean the offence has no wrong.
Astronomer Giordano Bruno’s astronomy view caused him to be burned at the stake, guilty for heresy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
Galileo Galilei was luckier, he “abandoned” his support for heliocentric view (but put it in his book, clever guy).
After the book, he was “found vehemently suspect of heresy, forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
In older Christian times, “offences” will not be dealt with “violence”. They have other words for it : “burned as heretics”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_burned_as_heretics
Older Christians have prosecuted Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei and many many others, through the crime of "heretics".
Many are burned to dealth.
Freedom of speech means the freedom of expressing ideas in a positive manner without creating disputes and talking about negativity.
Everbody must know about values and has the ability to make diffrence between right and wrong.
tell me why human being is most intelligent and respectable living creature in the world, because he/she has wisdom, feelings and ability to differentiate what is wrong and what is right. It is very difficult to become human being - try to know your value and importance.
What education taught us, why we learn the things, what knowledge give us, a better way of living, values, respect for others, love for family and relatives and etc.
SO the only need is the positive thinking.
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