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M$4.20 November 06, 2009 12:43 AM

What do you think the odds are that the shortage of H1N1 Influenza Vaccine ever lead to rioting or violence?

There are several reports of Wall Street companies are being given the H1N1 vaccine before other maybe more deserving or needy people, add this to the bad news bailout and CEO bonuses paid from it ..what are the chances this will lead to rioting or violence? Are you angry?

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November 06, 2009 03:52 AM
If H1N1 became a killer pandemic, I'd say the risk of having widespread rioting and violence would escalate seriously, and such reports, whether simply rumors or actual fact would likely fuel those effects.

Given how H1N1 is currently shaping up epidemiologically, I would judge this risk to be very low. While people are very uncertain, and concerned, they are not scared out of their wits and inclined to mob action.

Having said all that, there is always a risk that some unhinged person out there will seize on this as an excuse to commit violent crimes. If this happens, reports such as the one you linked to could point that hypothetical violently unstable person in a particular direction as opposed to others.
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November 06, 2009 01:03 AM
Personally, I think the media is going to sell as much fear as possible, to keep people tuned in. However, I don't think it will start riots. Remember when everyone was freaked out about bird flu? It was all a big mess, until everyone eventually realized it wasn't going to be a huge deal, and they calmed down. I think the same thing is happening with swine flu. The medical community has already confirmed that this flu isn't any more severe than the normal flu in most people, and that it is killing fewer people than die of the normal flu every year.

I believe that people are getting pretty fed up with the rich, but I doubt any violence would be about the vaccine, specifically. I think if violence breaks out, it will be targeted at the wealthy, and more about their abuses of power than about swine flu.

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November 06, 2009 01:09 AM
I agree and I am not one of those all that concerned but I can *easily* envision scenarios where an angry and feeling "left out in the cold" citizen goes over the edge.

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November 06, 2009 01:54 PM
And ironically if there was a shortage of vaccine... and an outbreak of swine flu, the most effective way to avoid the disease would be to "stay in your homes" which would make rioting rather difficult.

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November 06, 2009 02:06 PM
I don't think a person that believed strongly they should get the vaccine and was or is being denied it would stay home if told.

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November 06, 2009 01:10 AM
There is a shortage every year, no one cares especially this year as the h1n1 flu has actually killed less people than the regular flu usually does. The whole shortage nonsense is just to hype up demand for a product that pharmacuetical companies are having a hard time selling to people since there is no evidence that the vaccine is safe....it has never been tested because they were exempt because of an artificial "pandemic" status which they were pushing for all along so that they didn't have to do testing, most americans are already educated enough to know that many of the h1n1 vacccines contain high levels of thimerisol which is a mercury preservitive that causes more harm than good. No there will be no rioting or violence that is all media hype, I have yet to meet any american who is even slightly phased by the whole false media flu drama. Eat your vegetables and wash your hands, you will survive!

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November 06, 2009 01:13 AM
I agree. I am a healthy adult with good hygiene but it is not me that I am asking about.

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November 06, 2009 08:10 PM
But there's no evidence any vaccine is safe until it's implemented. This vaccine is made the same way all the others are made..
Thiomersal or Thimerosal is technically toxic but at the levels ingested is harmless. The recall / stop use of it was due to public pressure and not any real harm.

I'm slightly concerned about Herd Immunity, myself. Doesn't matter how healthy you are, or if you've gotten the flu shot. If noone else has, you can still catch it (and die).

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November 06, 2009 09:01 PM
No that is not true, all vaccines and any medicine, always undergoes trial testing before it is put on the market, the only exception is when something is classified like an emergency (such as the h1n1 being elevated to a classification of "pandemic" based on the possibility of a pandemic not an actual pandemic) If it is consedered emergency companies can bypass the intial testing. No the vaccine is not similar to other vaccines, this vaccine has a completely different strain of virus and no one know how it will react with humans of all types, testing usually happens on specific groups, such as age groups, pregnent women, sick, healthy, and then a recomnendation is made for which groups it is most safe for. This vaccine was not tested, as for the safety of small doses of Mercury, the dose of mercury in one vacccine is not going to kill you but if the same people are getting flu shots every year along with eating fish and all of the other ways we get mercury in our system then yes we are going to get mercury poisoning eventually, mercury poisoning is a cumulative effect, we store it in our bodies our entire life unless undergo very intensive and very specific kinds of chelation therapy. And yes it does matter how healthy you are, people who's immune systems are functioning on a high level do not get sick, your immune system needs to be compromised in some way for you to not be able to fight off a flu or cold. You don't just get sick because you were around someone who was sick. Also no one has died from swine flu yet who didn't already have other underlying health problems, this is a fact, every single person who died from h1n1 was shown to have other diseases first.

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November 06, 2009 10:22 PM
The yearly flu shot is a different strain every time.
The shots are tested, there is just some testing that is foregone. I can also find no evidence the shots were rushed to the point of a lack of safety, just people really believing it.
I can find no study that says the mercury in vaccinations plus the mercury in fish equals problems for humanity. More speculation.

I find many studies that talk about Herd Immunity: If you are healthy, and have had the H1N1 vaccination, and you are living in a community that has not had a vaccine, you are more likely to get it than if you have not had the shot and living in a community that has had the vaccine.
The immunity of the herd (everyone) is dependent on the individual (you).

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November 06, 2009 01:43 PM
No,
The way I see it is that there are just as many people that will choose NOT to get the vaccine because of personal choice (LIke my family and I) as there are people scrambling to get it. So in the long run I believe it will all even out in the end.
I think who wants it and needs it will get it. It WILL be fine.

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November 06, 2009 02:12 PM
To answer that, we have to ask how selfish and evil people in parts of America have become to riot over not getting something they want. No one has a right to the vaccine, so if there are riots, we have a sad state of affairs.

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November 06, 2009 06:47 PM
H1N1 is scaring most of the people. Since there is a shortage of vaccine, people are very careful mingling with each other. I can see myself using the alcohol based hand sanitizers while going out. There are fewer people going to the food courts. People will state at someone, who does have a cold and keep away.
But I don't think there will be violence because of the vaccine shortage. It is very true that some people who are not in the priority group getting the vaccine now. But as usual, the general public will talk about it and let it go, just like any other corruption.

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