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M$1 February 17, 2009 09:38 PM

How much do you think a (deceased) president's body would be worth if you held it for ransom?

First, this is a hypothetical question somewhat based in history that I started thinking about when I watched a special on the History Channel about the plot to steal Lincoln's body. Second, I mean no disrespect upon the memories of any president by asking this question. If you are easily offended or sensitive about this topic, please don't read any further.

If you were to steal/kidnap the body of a president, how much ransom do you think you could get?

Are some presidents more "valuable" than others? Which president do you think would bring the most money?

If convicted, what do you think the charge and the sentence would be? Amazingly, there is very little on the books regarding robbing graves. Can a body be considered "property"? At what point does "grave robbing" become "archeology"?

In the original conspiracy that took place in 1876, the conspirators planned to ask for $200,000 and the release of a convicted forger.
( http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/books/chi-stealingbw05jan05,0,2983711.story )

Yes, I know this question is walking a fine line here, but I thought it would make an interesting discussion so please don't be specific enough that it appears this appears to be a plan.
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February 17, 2009 11:02 PM
I think a lot of it would be dependant on the president. Like anything, the more notable and public, the more that they would be willing to pay for the safe return. Those such as Reagan and JFK I would guess could easily fetch a couple of million. However, the older the body got, I think the less it would be worth. While yes, it's an interesting blurb on the news, I don't think there would be any great panic over LIncoln or Washington going missing...still enough for a cool million at least though just because it is a former president.

As far as punishment goes...I would say this walks the line of treason/terrorism. The fact that you are kidnapping an obviously important figure to the US, and the body buried on federal lands most likely...well, like I said, I go for treason being the eventual charge...at best Sedition...

Treason carries a life imprisonment or execution penalty. Sedition is purely imprisonment.

And honestly, I have no answer to what the difference between grave robbing and archaeology is. The basic difference between the two is that archaeology does not harm a families "rights" to the body, where-as graverobbing does (there are still relatives/interested individuals who can claim "ownership" of said body). As simple as that sounds, in practice it is rarely so clear cut. For instance, Native graves were routinely robbed even against protests...this was recently rectified in 1990 with NAGRPA, but that has come under fire as well. So the answer to the difference...aside from if someone can remember the deceased, there really isn't one.

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February 17, 2009 10:11 PM
4 people these days, probably $50k or more a piece.
Their Jailtime would most likely be life in prison. Graverobbing to me would be the same as grand larceny or extreme theft a federal offense, or felony.
I think all presidents have a common worth. (JFK to me would be bank, he had such an interesting story.)

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February 17, 2009 10:42 PM
Assuming that the people that staged the 'body napping' of Lincoln had done their due diligence on how much a presidential body was worth...using the inflation calculator: $200,000 in 1876 would today be about $3,850,587.

So, why don't we round it up to an even $4,000,000 :)
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http://www.westegg.com/inflation/


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February 17, 2009 11:44 PM
I can not believe that someone thought that this was an uninteresting question. It is exactly the kind of question that makes Mahalo so unique. As to the differences between archeology and grave robbing, personally I think that after 500 years all of us should be dug up. Give future generations a break. None of us are that valuable.

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February 18, 2009 01:37 AM
Eeep. Darcy will come back to answer questions from beyond the grave.

There's no stopping the woman. :)

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February 18, 2009 01:37 AM
The body farm? Ummm....I was just wondering. Can zombies get airline tickets? Like, to Hawaii, maybe?

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February 18, 2009 12:46 AM
I think you would get 10 to 20 years in a maximum security prison. Maybe less if you pleaded insanity.

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February 18, 2009 01:34 AM
I think that it would depend upon the beliefs of both the president who's corpse was stolen and of the grave robbers themselves. If the president was of a religion which believed in some sort of eternal resting and life after death, then it might disturb people to see the body stolen from the tomb, and they might be willing to pay a lot. Also, if the people who robbed the grave were terrorists or of someone who believed that they could either gain power from desecrating the body or from doing some other thing, then people might then be willing to pay to prevent that form happening. All in all, I think that the ransom for a president's body would probably be around a million.

This is really morbid...

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February 18, 2009 02:04 AM
I would have to say they would pay nothing. This country does not negotiate with terrorists. That is really he reality of it. They would not pay.

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February 18, 2009 02:51 AM
I would think that, if the government did pay, any president would be valuable. However, Washington, Lincoln, etc. would be much more so than the others.
But I do agree with thelastscionspeaks. The robber would be treated as a terrorist.
I think that you can call grave robbing archaeology when there is a good scientific reason for it. For example, if we found out where the missing link was buried, no one could call that grave robbing. There is a scientific reason for digging him up.

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