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M$3.60 November 13, 2009 08:30 PM

What will it take for Mahalo to surpass Wikipedia? How long will it take, and is there anything we can do?

How much of a challenge is this? Is this Mahalo's ultimate goal to beat Wikipedia?
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November 13, 2009 09:04 PM
Of course this wouldn't be easy since right now, Wikipedia is a lot popular than Mahalo. But if we'll provide better pages, up to date news and topics, and quality articles then I think someday Mahalo will be as big OR even bigger than Wikipedia.

The money Mahalo's rewarding to users is also a big advantage. Users will probably work harder here than on Wikipedia because of this monetary benefit.

This is a big challenge for Mahalo and of course it's users or members but everything's possible if we'll all work hard for this. :)

Beating Wikipedia maybe is not really the ultimate goal of Mahalo, actually we shouldn't just focus on beating something else on the web... Let's just do our best to make Mahalo better and better each day. Then probably soon, we're going to be as big as Google. ^^


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November 13, 2009 09:50 PM
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November 13, 2009 09:15 PM
I think it would be hard to judge this since both sites are on Google page 1 for several different keywords. With some keywords Mahalo is higher than Wikipedia, and others the opposite is true. This means that we really can't define "beating Wikipedia" by keywords alone.

If you base this on volume of user created content we'll beat them, it's just a matter of time. However if you base this on the volume of monthly visitors I'm not sure that Mahalo will.

Anyway, just food for thought.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=bed+bath+and+beyond+coupons
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November 15, 2009 04:11 PM
This is a key insight. Mahalo will not beat Wikipedia for Bob Dylan on Google in the short term, but we will beat Wikipedia for Bob Dylan Bootlegs, Bob Dylan Tickets and Bob Dylan tShirts.

Why?

Because Wikipedia doesn't have those pages. Mahalo can create 20 pages for every topic page on Wikipedia. with 20x the number of pages Mahalo will have 60m pages to Wikipedia 3m. That means we will win in the long term.

Also, our contributors will be making $100M in five years--and so will Mahalo. :-)

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November 15, 2009 04:36 PM
I do not believe the goal of mahalo is to beat wikipedia, Mahalo to me is a golden niche. you see wikipedia does not have ad revenue, and Mahalo does.
As Jason says they will always have the #1 spot for Bob Dylan but not for associated information on Bob Dylan. That is where the niche lies, you see if you can create 20 to 60 pages around every subject that wikipedia has and insert ad revenue, Ta-Da. You see Wikepida has left a lot of money and Information on the table so to speak and Jason has opted to share this niche with all the users here at Mahalo, working toward one common goal.
( revenue )
It can only be obtained and maintained by the high standards Mahalo sets for it's pages and content.
If you actually set down and look at Wikipedia's hit's and then multiply the amount of pages Mahalo forms for the same subject, add revenue to those associated pages, multiply by the hits to revenue, The amount is astrological.
It is a genius idea.

I also believe that with the new changes coming into effect, the Vertical Managers per se are the elite of Mahalo, they have the knowledge and understanding about the creation of pages and rankings. So in effect Jason is expanding his team in a wise direction, by allowing them to over see, per se page managers, the creation of pages will increase and the quality of content will stay at the same or rise.
So in effect the amount of quality pages should increase with the minimum amount of cost.

Bottom line, More quality pages = more revenue
minimal raise in cost

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November 13, 2009 11:23 PM
Given that Wikipedia is just (supposed to be) a repository of pure, uninterpreted facts, it would be rather redundant for Mahalo to try to take it on head-to-head as a reference source for pure factoidal information... plus it's not taking advantage of the resource that Mahalo has, which is humans to do primary-level information scanning and skimming in order to produce what amounts to executive briefs.

It makes much more sense for Mahalo to occupy a different niche from Wikipedia, which is... instead of just giving an internet searcher a list of links to sites with keywords relating to the search, which they then have to comb through themselves to find the relevant info... look instead to see what combination's of keyword searches are most common, and then have a human go through those links and comb together a "brief" that answers the question.

It's sort of like how executives hire research assistants to answer questions by doing keyword searches through the net and then writing things up as an executive brief, only now those briefs become available to more people, and there's fewer jobs for research assistants.

What that means is that, if done right, Mahalo will become the place to go for conceptual-understanding of a question, and not just the factual data that would be used to assemble an understanding.

It would be useful for people who don't have time to look at a pile of facts and determine what it all *means*... or for people who do not know how to build a concept from facts.

Or, as a Russian would put it... Wikipedia is for people who can't remember... and Mahalo is for people who can't think.

And yes, that's why (I happen to know) the Mahalo model is being explored by places like China and Evangelicals, wherein it's not enough to just know a fact (like, abortion exists) but it's also considered important to be provided with a perspective as to what it means (in China's case, they'd say it's useful, and in the Evangelical's case, they'd say it's evil).

In other words, to use the human brain as an analogy, Wikipedia is functioning like the Parietal Lobes, and an idealized Mahalo will function like the Temporal Lobes.

(In the human brain, the parietal lobes say "what is it?", and the temporal lobes say, "what does it mean", i.e., you're walking down the street, you see some dog poo on the sidewalk, and the parietal lobes say, "It's dog poo", whereupon the temporal lobes say, "it's bad, don't step in it", whereupon the front lobes say to the legs, "change the direction of your next step".)

Consequently, it's easy to see how eventually, just as with Wikipedia there are spin-offs that specialize in sectors of factoidal information - which is somewhat limited, because a fact is a fact - there will be a vastly much larger potential for incarnations of Mahalo that interpret the facts according to proscribed perspectives, i.e. Mahalo-evangelical, which looks at facts and then assembles those into executive-brief sized arguments to be used in favor of creationism, next to Mahalo-science, which will look at the same facts and present executive-brief sized arguments to be used in favor of evolution, etc. etc.

You'll be able to tell when Mahalo has stepped from being something that's an option to being something that's essential when you start hearing the call go out for specialized incarnations of Mahalo, i.e. Mahalo for Catholics... Mahalo for Islams, etc.

Whether or not that had been foreseen by the inventor(s) of Mahalo... that's where it can, and probably will, go... which means as big as you think it's getting such that you're feeling like all the good pages are gone... in fact... you're still at the point where the shoots are pushing up and feeling for the sun... (You haven't *seen* what starts happening when the Mahalo pages start referencing each other as their sources, but it makes for a form of meta-information organization that get extremely interesting to information theorists.)

But you asked "how long will it take and is there anything we can do?"

I don't know how long, because it's a function of how many people are maintaining the pages and the associated briefs, but the key to speeding it up is to get really good at writing executive-brief sized answers that anybody can read and understand even if they're functioning at a third-grade level of literacy (which this answer is not... :P ... but my personal goal is to ensure that there's always a version of Mahalo out there that provides rational, logical, unprejudiced interpretations of the facts).
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November 14, 2009 09:33 AM
Great Answer @omicron, It is definitely not mahalos' niche to take on a factorial information source as wikipedia, like omicron said mahalo is more for finding the cookie crumbs, the stuff that is left out of wikipedia.

Great Answer, Mike !

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November 14, 2009 02:24 PM
Would you please explain what is the cookie crumbs for me! Sorry, if I bother you

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November 17, 2009 03:15 AM
I'm a tad confused by this comment:

S: "It is definitely not mahalos' niche to take on a factorial information source as wikipedia,"

R: "factorial? As in y=x!, or is that a typo and you meant to say "factoidal"?

S: "like omicron said mahalo is more for finding the cookie crumbs, the stuff that is left out of wikipedia."

R: That's nothing at all anything like what I said. Not even remotely.

What you're talking about here is (visualize it) something like a two-dimensional flagstone surface, where wikipedia is covering the areas marked by the flag stones, and some other service is trying to cover the spaces inbetween the flagstones... what call the "crumbs"... and this is so totally not what I'm saying about mahalo that I've found myself re-reading the original post to see where you could have got that image.

Do you understand the difference between knowledge and intelligence?

Are you one of those people who think they are the same thing, and that they are interchangeable terms?

Well, they're not.

Using athletics as a metaphor, knowledge is like the muscle, and intelligence is like the coordination.

Wikipedia is functioning like the muscle. It's just a repository of fact... of factoidal information.

What Mahalo should be doing is the process of taking that information and *interpreting* it, the way an analyst would.

In other-words, it's not on the two-dimensional surface of the flagstone floor... it's in the space above, in a three-dimensional realm, constructing three-dimensional formations of information.

There are lots of people, i.e. executives, and intelligence analysts, who depend on these "executive briefs" because more and more, the executive "MBA" class of people has become taken over by people who got their by "who-you-know" instead of what-they-know, and they are called upon to make decisions way outside of their actual intellectual league, and so they count on analysts that also have vision to show them how the pure factoidal information like is found on wikipedia and which anybody would have found if they just bothered to read and encyclopedia and remember it, or go a library and learn how touse a card catalog (but believe it or not, there's a whole generation of people coming up who don't know how to do that and are paralyzed without online access to something like wikipedia... just like there was generation before who got brain-blanked by pocket calculators such that they can't do long division by hand) and now the next stage is going to be people who, even with the information made easy at their fingertips the way wikipedia does it, they still don't can see how to put it together in cross-linked, interdisciplinary conceptual forms, and so they become dependent upon conceptual analysts to assemble the facts into "executive brief" sized concepts telling them what the facts mean, so they can hope to make an intelligent executive decision even though they actually don't have the natural skill for the job.

It's not like "picking crumbs" of factoidal information somehow missed by wikipedia at all. It's formation of concepts and insights from that information for people who don't have the mental ability to form concepts from facts for themselves.

There's three classed of consolidated "executive brief" information as a function of the cognitive mode used to form it from the information available, and I can get into that later, but level I (no it's not called level I in reality, I'm just using that term for it here for the sake of brevity, because if I use the full term I'll have to explain the brain wiring behind it) can be offered for free and paid for with banner advertising alone, level II can be paid for with tips, and level II, which hasn't been done yet but which will eventually once things are built up and the owner(s) are seeing how to organize the information on a cognitive level, is the stuff that you charge real corporate execs and politicians and diplomats a pretty penny for...

... and *none* if it has anything to do with "crumbs" on the floor between what wikipedia has somehow missed. It's reformulation of the pure factoid information for a whole new level of information, so... what did you *mean* by "finding the cookie crumbs", and why did you think I said anything even remotely like that?

That which is a pure consolidation of widely distributed factoidal information into compressed "executive briefs", and that's handy for simply abbreviating into an abstract a digested form of the information that's there, and it's useful for saving time, but it's not really *adding* any new insights... and that's what 97.3% of the Mahalo writers will be doing, and it's based upon the fact that 97.3% of all people are either of a left-hemisphere or a right-hemisphere preferred cognitive mode.

Briefs written by someone who is left-hemisphere dominant will be very linear and analytical, and briefs written by those who are right-hemisphere dominant will tend to be very visual.

However, in neuropsychology, it's been learned that 2.7% of the population have what is called "mixed hemispherical dominance", and those people can think in a visual form and (and this is key) not have to pipe it through their left-hemisphere after they've had the vision in order to see if it makes any logical sense. In other words, those are the ones who can think logically conceptual,

I'm sure you understand how decision m

like omicron said mahalo is more for finding the cookie crumbs, the stuff that is left out of wikipedia.

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November 14, 2009 12:39 AM
We can stop putting Wikipedia links in Mahalo Top 7 gumps.

We can stop putting links gumps at the top of Mahalo pages.

Seriously. Strive to BE the "go to" page about the topic, not to link to the competition's "go to" pages on the topic. Also, use Wikipedia's links (which are at the BOTTOM of each Wikipedia page, notice) to help you find a source to site, but do not site Wikipedia as a source.

The page Weird Science is a bad example of how a page should be, as of this writing. There are so many enticing links at the top, why would a reader even scroll down to read the Mahalo page?
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November 14, 2009 04:32 AM
A+ on going to the source links in each Wikipedia article. I wish we all though enough to dig a little deeper than Wikipedia.

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November 14, 2009 01:54 AM
I am sure there is alway's a way to attaining certain goal, It has to do with innovating idea's same as what wikipedia has done and mahalo, both are great idea's, consistency is one aspect of success, If the goal is to attract more visitor's then mahalo should take steps to attain that direction, If to developed the content then should be the focus, The rating would normally take care of it self in due time. we cannot force success.

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November 14, 2009 03:45 AM
I do not care to be Wiki. We are the Human Search Engine feel-good experts. There is warmth and communication. We are not an encyclopedia, and I would prefer that it stay that way.

IMO, I'd like to target Wiki Answers, which stink. What about Blink? It also stinks. If we get the ultimate bead on SEO, the world is ours.

Here is the encyclopedia I prefer not to be:

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November 14, 2009 04:24 AM
What will it take for Mahalo to surpass Wikipedia?
I won't compare Mahalo to Wikipedia, but I'd compare Mahalo to an online community such as About.com (because of the experts assigned to a page), Answers.com (for the automated contents) or Yahoo Answers (the q&a website that started this). Wikipedia is literally a different web application itself. It can easily include rumors. Mahalo.com won't surpass Wikipedia because of this. Mahalo.com rewards their members for their contribution. I'd like to see other websites do the same thing!

How long will it take, and is there anything we can do?
I don't expect Mahalo to replace it, but I really do expect Mahalo to expand in the number of intelligent/hardworking people working together on it as the points system is really ingenius to incorporate some sort of social networking function too. We should keep on contributing as we do.

How much of a challenge is this?
The challenge for Mahalo is probably keeping the whole community and website true to itself. Any mere changes needs to improve the whole functionality, yet keep the intelligent working system.

Is this Mahalo's ultimate goal to beat Wikipedia?
I don't think so. I think they are aimed to built a community where people can grow together with knowledge.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahalo.com
http://websearch.about.com/od/webdirectory/qt/mahalo.htm
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November 14, 2009 04:38 AM
There are only two ways:

1. Provide better answers to more questions people want answers on
2. Make those answers easy to access

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November 14, 2009 05:15 AM
Hi Freshone,
Do you know that Mahalo has topic pages, too, and not just answers? For an example, here is a link to one of the topic pages that I manage:
Cheap Homemade Christmas Gift Ideas

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November 14, 2009 02:35 PM
Since my Wikipedia link as sources are not appreciated by QC team, I started finding other sources to verify the facts.
Wikipedia is not a competition to anybody actually. They are running on donations. Mahalo is giving money for users to find accurate fact and has a QC team to check and verify the facts. Within a short time Mahalo has gained a lot of reputation. I am thinking that with the great and accurate information provided by the users, Mahalo is going to be better than Wikipedia in the near future.

With the vertical managers also there to think about more ideas for tasks and page improvement suggestions,and the launch of M3 tomorrow, yes we are going to be better than ever!!!

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November 14, 2009 03:54 PM
One year from now Mahalo will be in the top 100 sites (on Quantcast).

Two years from now Mahalo will be in the top 25 sites.

Three years from now Mahalo will be, roughly, the same size as Wikipedia in terms of page views in America and bigger in terms of number of pages.

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November 14, 2009 06:00 PM
Have you ever seen the American Dad episode with the peanut butter conspiracy? In the end the "evidence" was destroyed so no one would believe them about the conspiracy. Or would they? Where's the one place to go where someone could write anything and people would believe it?

Wikipedia. And simply put, that's the answer to the question. What will it take for Mahalo to surpass Wikipedia? Though content is important the real tipping point will be credibility. Mahalo needs to have a reputation of timeliness and accuracy. People need to know that each page is approved by a human unlike Wikipedia.

There are three legs to the "surpassing Wikipedia" goal.

1. Credibility. This is the top of the list and the most important. What good is a number one rank in Google for a keyword if Mahalo isn't seen as a credible source?

2. Content. The more quality pages that are on Mahalo the better.

3. SEO. Putting the keywords in the right spot, LSI, and generating backlinks are all important.

Of those, numbers 2 and 3 are the easiest and the most obvious. They can be done by sheer work and determination. However, credibility is based on reputation which is something that happens naturally because of its owners and members.

Has anyone written a press release about Mahalo offering a comparison between Wikipedia and Mahalo to circulate amongst the news networks? Wikipedia has been in the news lately about credibility issues and this is something that can be used in Mahalo's favor. Every now and then someone perpetuates a celebrity death rumor via Wikipedia.

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November 14, 2009 07:20 PM
To be very frank, Mahalo is entirely different from Wikipedia and there cannot be any competition between them. They work on totally different ideas. Rather, Mahalo's biggest competitor is Yahoo Answers.

Still, I feel it will take at least 3-4 years and a lot of well researched, specific answers and healthy discussions on Mahalo to beat Wikipedia in popularity.

I am looking forward to it. All the best. Thanks

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November 14, 2009 07:22 PM
I honestly don't think Mahalo will ever be able to surpass Wikipedia. Until I was researching ways to make extra money online I had never even heard of Mahalo, but Wikipedia is hugely famous, I think I even watched a movie recently where one of the actors was researching something on Wikipedia. With Wikipedia, all you have to do is type in the name of who or what you want to research and you get a very detailed review of it without having to click on several different entries to find the answers you want.

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November 15, 2009 05:41 PM
1)
What metric are you measuring success with? Page views, uniques, number of pages, ad revenue, SE rank, or something more altruistic such as how many people Mahalo has helped?

2)
This is not an "apples to apples" comparison. While wikipedia and Mahalo both have SERP's, Mahalo is a trifecta of Search, Result Pages and Answers. Tasks empowers Mahalo and pays a community to create, curate and refine pages.

Wikipedia is a user contributed encyclopedia.

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If success is measured in uniques (as mentioned in other answers) then I believe it will take ~7 years for Mahalo to move beyond Wikipedia.

4)
YES there is something that we can all do.... and it's easy.

CREATE THE ULTIMATE RESOURCE FOR EACH AND EVERY PAGE YOU AUTHOR.

When I compare content to content, Wikipedia still beats Mahalo out in many cases. Their content is rich, well supported, interesting and factual. We've all been focusing on Coupons, sales, gift cards, etc.... these are high earning pages but when compared to Wikipedia, their body of work is centered around knowledge, not money.

The way I figure it, when I create How To's and other knowledge based pages, if I make these pages at least 25% better than anything else out there, will WIN in the long run. It will make more money, it will be more helpful, it will receive more traffic, it will be better than a Wikipedia article.

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November 17, 2009 12:25 AM
I think Mahalo has the potential to be very big, maybe as big as Wikipedia.

But I don't think it should be trying to be like Wikipedia, any more than Twitter should be trying to be like Wordpress. They're different things with their own uses, and their own relative strengths and weaknesses.

Wikipedia gets all the good and bad that comes with being an encyclopedia and a wiki. It has the benefit of many in-depth articles, but like many traditional encyclopedias it can by dry, long-winded, hard to understand, and might not even cover many topics that people want info on. Likewise, being a wiki, it has the benefit that "many hands make light work", and popular articles tend to be kept pretty much up to date. Bur being a wide open wiki, the quality can be uneven, and you can never be sure what you're reading isn't a prank, a disguised sales pitch or malicious misinformation.

The Wikipedia entry on iPod tells us all about the history and the technical specs of iPods, but it doesn't do much to help anyone decide if they want to buy an iPod, or which one is right for them.

If anything Mahalo should be trying to be "Qikipedia".

The key benefits of Mahalo should be that it's quick, easy, friendly and trustworthy. It should be more like a friend that tells you what iPod would be suit you, than a professor that lectures you about the iPod's history.

As individual contribitors, we can help have that happen my making pages and answering questions accordingly. But we can only do that within the overall framework set by Mahalo. If Mahalo sets out to be another Google or another Wikipedia or whatever, our individual efforts to create something distinctive and valuable won't get very far.

If all goes well, Mahalo might just surpass Wikipedia in terms of entries and/or traffic. And that could happen in anything from three to ten years.

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