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M$10 February 28, 2009 06:08 AM

What is the best way to stream live and record the video for later editing? Ustream.tv? Justin.tv?

I recently asked about how to edit .flv video. This is because I am using Ustream.tv's live streaming service at my site http://askadria.com

Ustream.tv promotes the use of Adobe Flash Media Encoder (FME) for "higher quality" streaming but they leave out that if you want to record the show for later editing, Adobe FME will produce a .flv file which a finished format vs an editing format like Photoshop .psd files vs .jpg's.

My current setup
Comcast Internet 3mb down / 1mb up
Logitech 9000 Pro webcam
Single processor 2.6 ghz
2GB ram
32mb NVIDIA FX 5200

I am looking to get advice from someone who understands video editing first hand an will put up a $10 bounty for this question.
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February 28, 2009 12:32 PM
upstream s the best way to stream live and record the video

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February 28, 2009 04:04 PM
I think the screen capturing would be the best solution for you. It allows you to record streaming video from web cam to hard disk, and save it in a variety of formats.

I've done more video capturing than I care to remember, converting analog VHS tapes to digital. In my experience, AVI is a good format if you want to be able to edit these captures later. So, go for any of the programs listed in the referred page, as long as it records and saves the captured video and audio in AVI format.

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http://emoney.al.ru/capture-streaming-video-and-audio/record-webcam-video.h...


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March 01, 2009 10:17 PM
interzone,

Interesting idea. I can try this on Tuesday. I'm going to order a new video card this week too.

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March 01, 2009 11:32 PM
I hope it will work for you!

It is a somewhat roundabout way, but the chances are slim that you'll find a build-in solution that allows you to capture and (re)produce video material of reasonable technical quality. The reason for this is, in my opinion, that services like Ustream.tv, Justin.tv and, indeed, YouTube, are afraid of third party copyright violation claims. In order to avoid responsibility, they will typically limit what one can do with software they provide to their users.

Good luck!

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February 28, 2009 08:07 PM
Adria, I was into video editing a while ago but not anymore. So I hope some of the advice below can help you.

As far as I understand, you're looking for the best video format in order to edit your videos.

UStream and Justin.tv use the FLV format when displaying videos because FLV is currently the most ideal format for video on the Internet...YouTube, Metacafe, they all use it.

Because FLV is not supported by many video editors, the best thing to do is to convert it.

Here's UStream instructions for converting FLV videos:

"How to Convert Recorded Video Files to Different File Types and How to Download Them

You can convert your Ustream Recorded video files to .wmv, .mov, or .mp4. To do so, go your "My Videos" page and click on "Video format conversions". After selecting your format, it will take a few minutes to convert the file. The format name will turn blue next to the "Download" option once the video is converted. You will then be able to download them by clicking on the format type in blue."

Unfortunately, I haven't found such instructions on Justin.tv except the obvious ones (use a screen capture software) which is not really a good solution.

So the answer to your question is: UStream. I've seen many 'gurus' in the internet marketing industry that use it too and it is probably because of the reason above. Plus, they use Adobe technology almost 99% of the time.

Now, about the quality of the videos, I see that you discovered FME. Currently, as far as I know, this is the biggest enhancement in quality you can make.

Also, consider what program you'll use for editing. Your graphic card seems very weak. I recommend you get Nvidia higher generation card, especially if using After Effects for editing.

So, in summary:

- Use UStream (currently they have more options for your needs.) + as far as I can see, they have a huge cooperation with Adobe...and you know what Adobe means for video and video quality.

Hope this helped.
Source(s):
Adobe official website
UStream and Justin.tv
Some 3rd party sites


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March 01, 2009 10:15 PM
darenet,

I have not been using the built-in recording option at Ustream since December. It would never finish converting or uploading to YouTube. So instead, I enable Adobe Flash Media Encoder (FME) to shoot out the stream to Ustream.tv and also send it to a file.

Monday, I will try doing the built in recording.

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March 01, 2009 07:27 PM
Well,Its pretty simple actually ....
Just download a downloading software called "orbit downloader" from www.downloads.com
Now start it after installation and right click (while it is in you task bar) and click on "Grab ++"
It will open another wind,minimize it and go to your video and just refresh the page ..... That playing video will appear on Grab++ and you can download it from there for further use.

Moreover,you can convert it to any format you want by "total converter"

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March 01, 2009 10:12 PM
ishaqzafar,

This isn't helpful. The stream I want to record is my own. The problem is that .flv is a compressed format and there seem to be very few editors out there for it.

Second, converting .flv to something like AVI reduces the image quality

I am looking for a way to produce a quality stream AND be able to edit the recorded stream offline at a later time in a better quality format.

My current limitation is that I use Adobe Flash Media Encoder to push a higher quality feed to Ustream.tv BUT Adobe FME will only record in .flv which leaves me with a compressed format and very little choice on what I can edit it with. The one I have been trying is Moyea FLV Editor Pro (which only allows me to "trim" sections)

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