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I believe that your question is directed towards the internet community of bloggers and serious legal issues may indeed follow through. However the most important factor, if indeed it is proven that yahoo provided information of bloggers to Iran, will not only be the credibility of Yahoo alone but of the entire internet community. These includes but are not limited to, Google, Bing, Social Networks, membership sites, etc. It will be very bad that our privacy can be easily given away due to some political or whatever reason, just like that.
As for Yahoo, I sincerely believe that the blogging community will kill them in a flash, and there is no doubt about that. Yahoo will be ByeHoo in a matter of days... That's my take..
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(Love the new avatar jeff.)
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If the bloggers are in Iran, then Iran can, but their own laws, make a legitimate threat to block all Yahoo traffic in and out of Iran if Yahoo does not comply, and all Yahoo can do is ask the Iranians to provide sufficient evidence for Yahoo to be sure that the bloggers are indeed physically located in Iran.
That can get interesting, because what Iran's basically saying is that they *know* a wanted person is in their country using the internet and Yahoo, but they don't know *who* it is, therefore, give them a name, and Yahoo, quite legitimatly, *has* to say that they can't release names unless Iran can provide sufficient technical evidense that the anonymous bloggers are indeed physically in Iran, because it would be a violtion of so many national and international laws to de-anonymize a non-Iranian that it's basically asking to be wiped out in a tactical strike like how Israel would do it. or wiped out by commandos with C4 like how France would do it or, or have all assets siezed with an audit by the IRS like Americans would do it...
That makes it a bit of a game of chicken with Iran, because Iran may not want it known to what extent they are capable of snooping on internet traffic crossing their border, versus how bad does Yahoo want to keep Iranians as users of their service.
But basically... if Iran *can* proove that the anonymous bloggers are on Iranian soil, then, like it or not, it's within their right to demand details from Yahoo or face being blocked, and there's nothing by international law that Yahoo can do about it other than decide to let Iran go as a zone, and Yahoo might just want to choose to do that, because if they de-anonymize some Iranians, then Yahoo users from other jurisdictions like Pakistan might flee from Yahoo, such could be the reaction of the internet community, but...
...given how the NSA works, it's probable that that agency likes there being entities such as Yahoo doing international information exchange with a reach into Iran, so don't be suprized if Yahoo were to get a visit from the MIBs, and chooses to release the names in exchange for the Iranian government allowing them ongoing access to the Iranian internet.
And don't forget... Yahoo's de-anonymized some users already... from China... where the option was give Bejing the names or face exclusion from the Chinese national internet.
People howled, but it didn't kill Yahoo the way some had predicted, once the issues were understood.
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people are so fast dealing with internet issues these days, and it's so easy to create 100s of account everywhere and publish all what's in your mind no matter what Yahoo will do, but the real loser will be Yahoo people if they think to do that!
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Just a simple opinion from a guy knows how people think in the Middle east!
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M$4
October 09, 2009 07:45 PM
How would the Internet community react if Yahoo did indeed turn over bloggers to the Iranian government?
As there was a little bit of a bruhaha about this topic this morning
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5547
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33749589@N07/3996405300/
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5547
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33749589@N07/3996405300/
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| October 09, 2009 10:54 PM |
As for Yahoo, I sincerely believe that the blogging community will kill them in a flash, and there is no doubt about that. Yahoo will be ByeHoo in a matter of days... That's my take..
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October 11, 2009 12:39 AM
I agree with this opinion my self, and I don't think that Yahoo is able to do so as the results would effect Yahoo so badly!
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October 09, 2009 08:13 PM
Simple...Yahoo would get sued left and right. However since it is saying that these sources are unreliable...although this may be a bit of a far shot and I am not intending on bashing on anyone else....but aren't some of these people our enemies? War wise? I mean we did go to war with them in the 80's however our troops are over there getting ready to invade Afghan...Why would Yahoo sell such a thing to our supposed enemies...and if I remember correctly Iran has nuclear plants? Is Yahoo trading usernames for nuke locations? Tough question, and an even tougher answer to properly articulate....but I took a stab at it :)
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October 11, 2009 12:46 AM
I had to vote for this answer as no helpful answer because you mixed a single company with the whole concept of social networking, i am not Iranian and also I don't have a problem to be one of them, but the term of "our enemies" that you have used to define some of Iranians i just don't like it!!
I know that Yahoo money is from Jewish people! is that true? anyways USA toke wares against the whole world so better cut the internet from all over the world and keep it for Americans? is this could be good thing to do? so for whom America is going to sale products?
I am sorry .. i just don't agree on your opinion!
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I know that Yahoo money is from Jewish people! is that true? anyways USA toke wares against the whole world so better cut the internet from all over the world and keep it for Americans? is this could be good thing to do? so for whom America is going to sale products?
I am sorry .. i just don't agree on your opinion!
October 11, 2009 12:51 AM
That's fine and I appreciate your feedback. I meant no offense with any of the words I chose. so sorry for that. But hey some answers are based on certain peoples opinions and I was just throwing mine out there. but once again thanks for the feedback I appreciate people comparing my answers to theirs not only to help me better my views but also to know where I may be having faults in what I know, or don't. Thanks!
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October 09, 2009 09:40 PM
Yahoo would be sued 20 ways till next Christmas. Their credibility and popularity would fall, as well as their stock prices. In turn this would make Yahoo easy pickings for a big company like Microsoft or Google to engulf them and begin the damage-control process. (Love the new avatar jeff.)
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October 09, 2009 11:57 PM
Hmm... it depends uopn whether or not the bloggers are physically located in Iran. If the bloggers are in Iran, then Iran can, but their own laws, make a legitimate threat to block all Yahoo traffic in and out of Iran if Yahoo does not comply, and all Yahoo can do is ask the Iranians to provide sufficient evidence for Yahoo to be sure that the bloggers are indeed physically located in Iran.
That can get interesting, because what Iran's basically saying is that they *know* a wanted person is in their country using the internet and Yahoo, but they don't know *who* it is, therefore, give them a name, and Yahoo, quite legitimatly, *has* to say that they can't release names unless Iran can provide sufficient technical evidense that the anonymous bloggers are indeed physically in Iran, because it would be a violtion of so many national and international laws to de-anonymize a non-Iranian that it's basically asking to be wiped out in a tactical strike like how Israel would do it. or wiped out by commandos with C4 like how France would do it or, or have all assets siezed with an audit by the IRS like Americans would do it...
That makes it a bit of a game of chicken with Iran, because Iran may not want it known to what extent they are capable of snooping on internet traffic crossing their border, versus how bad does Yahoo want to keep Iranians as users of their service.
But basically... if Iran *can* proove that the anonymous bloggers are on Iranian soil, then, like it or not, it's within their right to demand details from Yahoo or face being blocked, and there's nothing by international law that Yahoo can do about it other than decide to let Iran go as a zone, and Yahoo might just want to choose to do that, because if they de-anonymize some Iranians, then Yahoo users from other jurisdictions like Pakistan might flee from Yahoo, such could be the reaction of the internet community, but...
...given how the NSA works, it's probable that that agency likes there being entities such as Yahoo doing international information exchange with a reach into Iran, so don't be suprized if Yahoo were to get a visit from the MIBs, and chooses to release the names in exchange for the Iranian government allowing them ongoing access to the Iranian internet.
And don't forget... Yahoo's de-anonymized some users already... from China... where the option was give Bejing the names or face exclusion from the Chinese national internet.
People howled, but it didn't kill Yahoo the way some had predicted, once the issues were understood.
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October 10, 2009 02:05 AM
I don't think much would happen if it turned out to be true. This isn't the first time. Has everyone already forgotten about Shi Tao? He has been jailed for 10 years in China and Yahoo is still in business.
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October 10, 2009 07:32 AM
In my opinion, the "internet community" will write a couple of "scathing" blogs and consider that they should now be named person of the year or be awarded the Nobel Prize. The internet community, by and large, is over-populated with people who are VERY impressed with themselves and with pretty words. They are long on talking and woefully short on actions. There is a serious and widespread inability to discern real world actions and accomplishments from the latest cyber coup, in which they declare themselves "winners". Perhaps I am chiefest among them.
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October 11, 2009 12:47 AM
well.. maybe this is not the situation in the Middle East area, the internet can change for sure if people want to! but for Yahoo it's one of several internet services companies, so it wont make a difference as people will go for something else!
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October 11, 2009 12:50 AM
Yahoo will lose and Google will won! people are so fast dealing with internet issues these days, and it's so easy to create 100s of account everywhere and publish all what's in your mind no matter what Yahoo will do, but the real loser will be Yahoo people if they think to do that!
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