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Do you go to church? If so, what kind and why? If not, why don't you.

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November 13, 2009 09:44 PM
Yes I do.

I go to a church that actually follows the source material they subscribe to. Not just parts of it.

When they stop following the written word and start making up their own by rewriting it to suit their own needs, I move on and find one that follows the original again.

Fortunately I found an organization that has never deviated from the written word in my lifetime. The moment they do, I'm off to find another. But currently there is no other that does follow closer or as closely (I've looked).

If I were to ever deviate from the written word I'd have MANY more choices spiritually. But I've chosen my source of truth and see no reason to deviate. It works, it always works, there's never a situation where it doesn't work, it's consistent, it doesn't harm others and I've never found a better example or belief that is more loving and peaceful.

I've looked. :)

So even if it's all made up and meaningless, my believing and practicing it doesn't hurt anyone else and it certainly doesn't harm me to live by it. No harm no foul. There aren't many religions who can say the same.
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November 14, 2009 02:27 PM
What are the parts of the written Word that you find most essential in a good church?

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November 14, 2009 11:13 PM
All of them. As written. Otherwise why tell people you follow the Bible when you only follow certain parts or rewrite the parts you don't like? Sort of like saying you're a Democrat but always voting Republican.

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November 13, 2009 09:19 PM
I'm a recovering Catholic... I used to be very active in the church especially in high school and college.

I stopped going to church a) when I was done with all the politics and old-school thinking that was not very Christ-like (ie no female priests, no married priests, etc) and b) because I could be just as Christ-like (and even more-so) without having to go to a church.

I also found and practice my own spirituality in a wide variety of other ways that do not require going to church.

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November 14, 2009 02:25 PM
In what other ways do you practice your spirituality?

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November 14, 2009 05:12 PM
I've learned to have a whole "toolbox" full of techniques and then use the ones that are most effective.

In general, I practice my spirituality through my learnings of the Hawaiian ways of thinking (Huna) and some Native American techniques. There are a number of other belief systems that I've "picked and chosen" from such as Buddhism, Seekism, Judaism and many other "-isms".

I have found that the most effective, practical tools for me are: different ways of praying (sand prayers, rituals, chanting, focused attention/hypnosis/meditation) and listening to god (different symbology methods which include dream interpretation, animal symbology, tarot, numerology).

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November 14, 2009 01:42 AM
Yup... sometimes... when it's a Sunday and I feel like touching bases with friends old-and-new, and I'm in the mood.

I was born and raised LDS (and yes, my great, great grandfather was one of those polygamists, thanks for asking) but I'm not as regular as they think I should be because me and the Bishops always get into the same spats over how some parts of Genesis should be interpreted.

When I was 16, after my first argument with a Bishop, I marched out and spent the next two years checking out every other denomination in the district, from Baptist to Catholic Charismatic to Dutch Reform to Harri Krishna to Ukrainian Orthodox to Italian Catholic to Evangelical to Irish Catholic to Episcopalian to Anglican to Pentecostal to Buddhist to Jehovah's Witness to whatever, and eventually I conclude that LDS was still the most semi-realistically rational of the lot, and so I stuck with it.

Generally, me and the Bishops agree to disagree, but they still like to call me periodically for opinions on how one might interpret certain aspects of the scriptures, plus I help prep the missionaries for some of the grilling they're likely to get if not a door slammed in their face (I play the devil's advocate), plus I have an open-door safe-house policy for missionaries who're starting to lose their minds and are in serious need of some short-term sanctuary (currently I'm living in a part of the world that's more hostile to Mormon's than are most regions with the possible exceptions of Vatican city and Kandahar).

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November 14, 2009 02:33 PM
What are some points of Genesis where you disagree with the bishops?

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November 16, 2009 09:13 AM
Well, when I was a teen, instead of partying and getting stoned, I would hide in a corner of the library and read interesting books, such that by the age of 16 I have a fair grasp on the development of human society starting from the cavemen, and to me what made the most sense was to understand Genesis as a metaphorical tale that was intended more to give people a conceptual foundation without necessarily being exactly accurate in terms of what really happened, because of the level of mentality that people were in at the time, and it boiled down to two things in particular that I thought were strait-out metaphors and/or mistranslations.

The first was the story of Cain and Abel. From what I'd read about what anthropologists and archeologists had dug up from around the middle east, in particular diggings along the green arch, I figured that it was a tale about a battle between the agricultural farmers living between the Tigris and Euphrates versus the goat herders, and not just a battle between Cain who worshiped God(s) with offerings of grain while the herdsmen offered sacrifices of lamb.

I'd learned enough about social organization and population levels and how the climate had been changing after the end of the last ice-age to conclude that at one time the Tigris-Euphrates had been a very nice place to live, but as the ice-caps receded it started to dry out and heat up, such that people started farming and goat herding instead of just hanging out picking pomegranates, and the the farmers, by virtue of being farmers, got much larger populations than the goat herders, and that eventually one day their populations came to a point where, combined with the land drying up and heating up from the glaciers receding, there wasn't room enough for both, so the goat herders and the farmers went to war, and the farmers won because they had larger numbers and were better organized by virtue of having been organized into city-states with leaders, whereas goat herders were still running around as individual bands.

Thus the goat herders headed west, up and over the green arch into the western arm of the green-arch... the Palestine, and had their revelation that although the sons of Cain might have won the Tigris-Euphrates, they got the western arm of the green arch that is/was Palestine.

But the Bishop insisted that the battle between Cain and Abel was between two individual men who were the first two sons of Adam and Eve, and I said that I doubted it, else where did they get wives, and that if one looked at Genesis, a *lot* of the earlier parts of it are concerned with explaining the issue of how the Hebrew were not farmers, they were herdsmen, and how they lived in the harder western arm of the green arch and not the lusher eastern arm around the Tigris-Euphrates, and how it stressed two things: God liked them better for being goat herders, and they got the harsher lands of the Palestinian arm of the green-arch, but it had been given to them by God to be theirs forever... like they were standing on a hill and sticking their tongues out at the farmers of the Tigris-Euphrates who won the war of Cain and Abel... as if to make themselves feel better for being goat-herders who got whooped.

The second issue was about the Tower of Babel. The Bishop said that they were building it to reach to heaven and that construction stopped because of everyone suddenly speaking different languages, and at 16 I said (and still say), hey, at the top of all those zigurats what you find are temples, that a god is supposed to be in, so when Genesis says that they were building it to reach to heaven, that's just a lame translation that's been exaggerated through legendization from it originally being understood that they were building a mountain of stone that would have a temple at the top in which would be living a god.

I then told the Bishop that I thought that probably what happened is that they were being asked to volunteer a lot of labour to build the thing, and that during construction people who wanted to be paid for what they were doing started grumbling that there was no god up there, that it was just a myth and that they wanted to be paid or something, but others still believed there would be a god in the temple that would be built at the top, and so they got into *theological* disputes, and that's what stopped construction of the tower of Babel... because if you look at how slang happens in languages combined with how exact meanings can get confused with translations, it's easy to see how back then the term "what does he speak" is equivalent to "what does he say he believes".

And I told the bishop that... notice how the first time that Genesis finally gets around to the start of the story, which is Abram, who *had* been living in Ur, the land where the Tower of Babel was being built, and that his issue was that he was a monotheist, so much so that he left Ur, and went west up and over the green arch to Palestine...

Therefor, I said to the bishop, the reasons the story of the Tower of Babel is the last Genesis old-fable kind'a story before it finally gets around to talking about Abram, the world's first known monotheist, is because the Tower of Babel was about building a mountain with a temple to gos at the top, and that construction stopped because the workers got into arguments over whether or not there were really going o be gods in the temple at the top when they finished construction, and Abram was on that crew and his idea was that there was one god, and so he was one of those people who left the worksite in protest, thus causing the Tower of Babel to not be built.

But nope... the Bishop insisted that it was all about languages, and not faith.

So I walked out and spent the next two years checking out every other denomination, at the rate of about one per week for two years, so that was almost 100 denominations, which was possible where I lived, because it was the buckle of the Bible belt, and therefore not short of chapels.

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November 14, 2009 01:07 PM
Yes, I often go to church every Sunday. I am a Roman Catholic by faith. For me the highest form of worship is attending the mass where we celebrate with Christ and partake of His body and blood.

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November 14, 2009 02:34 PM
What made you chose the Roman Catholic faith above another faith?

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November 14, 2009 02:40 PM
I chose this faith because this is where I was able to grow spiritually. I attended other church services and invited to attend other services and I have deep respect for them but I feel at home in the Catholic faith.

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November 14, 2009 02:37 PM
Yes I go to church and church comes to me.

I find church in spiritual moments throughout my day. Looking out the window in the rain this morning I think for a moment that I am so fortunate to have a roof over my head and a window too look out of at this moment I reach out to a power greater than myself and say Thank you. This moment is church to me.

I find church fishing last week. A beautiful serene riverscape with grassy riverbanks, colorful foliage on the trees and a swift and rocky river filled with fish and inhabited by countless other types of wonderful wildlife. At this moment I reach out to a power greater than myself and say Thank you. This moment as well is church for me.

My church is all around me.


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November 14, 2009 02:51 PM
Do you ever share your church moments with friends or family, do you enjoy being alone with someone greater than yourself, or both?

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November 14, 2009 02:57 PM
I like to share church with whomever will join me or listen to my remembrances of the spiritual moments I have had in recent days on weeks. I like to share spiritual moments with my significant other everyday. I also have moments of profound spirituality while I am alone and in meditation.

Prayer is me talking to God, meditation is me listening.

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November 14, 2009 02:59 PM
My parents were not Christians. I was growing up with friends who were Catholics. I went with them to attend the mass. In the end, they got wine and...from the priest. I wanted to get some too. ( I was 7 or 8).But my friends told me I am not allowed.The grown ups didn't help me either. As a protest against the discrimination, I boycott the church. It still continues...Seriously.
You know, you have to fight against the discriminations. Anybody out there want to join me?
So all the people, who denied the wine and bread at the church join with me.
We will make a Facebook group to fight against this discrimination by the church, especially the catholic ones.
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November 15, 2009 12:36 PM
Have you tried any other denominations besides Catholic?

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