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M$1 April 26, 2009 10:06 PM

What do you think happens after death?

There are many beliefs in what happens after one dies - one goes to heaven, they reincarnate, they turn into a ghost - but what do you personally believe?

Include a photo of what you think the afterlife is like
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April 26, 2009 10:14 PM
that's cool

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April 26, 2009 10:56 PM
Nice one! I'll get a copy of your book as soon as I receive my first payment from Mahalo!

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April 27, 2009 01:34 AM
Kind of cool @drmatt.

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April 27, 2009 04:23 PM
Must have a look at that @drmatt - would love to read it!

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April 26, 2009 10:12 PM
Dear cjd,
I personnally believe that after you die, you go to heaven. I think of it like -doing good things opens the door-
I have a friend though, who belives you reincarnate after death. Depending on how you lived your life chooses the animal you will become. (You can't reincarnate into a human twice). I think she told me the best possible animal is a zebra for some reason.

_Uncontrolible Powers_

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April 27, 2009 04:40 PM
Great response - and well done for answering your second (Grr...You should of answered this first) question.

Heaven, like many of the users hear, is what people think people will go to in the afterlife. Whoops - not just people, but animals too (likely).

Reincarnation is also another theory in which we can become another form; like a cat. Didn't know a zebra is the best animal to reincarnate into - thanks for that fact. (If it wrong, please would someone tell me!)

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April 26, 2009 10:36 PM
I truly believe we will go to heaven. Where is heaven? Sometimes I feel it is all round us now. I like to think I will still be helping people forever and ever. I would love to be an Angel visiting someone in need. Just my thoughts! This song says it for me. "I Can Only Imagine."

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April 27, 2009 04:38 PM
Scientists may believe that "heaven" is a planet or a place but it is hard to determine where heaven is, if one has not endured death. Where is heaven? is a similar question to What created the Universe? (OK, you may say the Big Bang - but what created that first spark?)

Your thoughts are great, nothing wrong with any of the answers I have seen!

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April 26, 2009 10:56 PM
I'm pretty certain that a consciousness survives an individual's death, and that some form of (self)awareness remains there at least for several years after death.

By "(self)awareness" I mean that a deceased person remains aware of who he/ she was, the circumstances of their just-past life, other people who were closely related to them, etc. This allows for some limited communication between two realms, that of the living, and that of the dead, but only under certain circumstances.

I also think that consciousness, not matter, is a principal evolving entity. This implies some sort of reincarnation, i.e. a consciousness gets embodied over and over again, following a period of introspection of some kind.

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I studied philosophy, AND I'm very interested in this whole area of so-called psychic. Also, much of my thoughts and ideas on the subject are derived from personal experiences.


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April 26, 2009 11:53 PM
How could anyone be "certain" of such a thing? Sentient consciousness is a direct result of brain activity, and as the body dies, so does the brain.

It's kind of like saying you're certain a light bulb can stay on for years after being unplugged.

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April 27, 2009 02:06 AM
A light bulb CAN stay on for years after being unplugged... Do you think that the stars we see in our skies are still burning? Many of them were "unplugged" long ago, but we still see their light.

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April 27, 2009 04:36 PM
Very interesting answer! I love the idea of a "conscience" remaining in the body. Would you say this is "the soul"?

@drmatt - I love your comment. It proves that "the conscience" or "soul" idea could exist.

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April 27, 2009 05:16 PM
@cjd - yes, it could be called soul.

I chose the term "consciousness" because it allows me to integrate larger body of mystical tradition and thought, such as Buddism for example, as well as the best of scientific research & theory, into my own worldview.

Regardless of my personal ideas, and choice of words in which to express them, I think that all different points expressed here are valid in that that they are all an expression of a shared human experience, different ways of coming to terms with it, so to speak.

Mysticism: Christian and Buddhist
http://alturl.com/mhn5

Undivided Universe
http://alturl.com/pe4t

Thinking Allowed:
http://twm.co.nz/pribram.htm

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April 27, 2009 05:32 PM
Einstein said it best: E=MC^2

C^2= speed of light squared - a constant
E = Energy
M = Mass

Essentially, Energy and Mass are interchangeable. When your Mass goes, it has to be converted to Energy (at least, according to the Big E).

@cjd: Nothing is "proven"... It's just the way I've manipulated the data. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." But, it's entertaining to me to believe in the existence of my soul traveling on...

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April 26, 2009 11:02 PM
I believe what the Bible says: A believer who dies is immediately present with Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:8). An unbeliever who dies goes to hell (Luke 16:22-23).

One day, the Lord Jesus will descend from heaven, and the bodies of dead believers and all living believers will be glorified and caught up to heaven (I Thessalonians 4:16-18). Then at the end, all those in hell will be judged, and anyone not written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be sent to the Lake of Fire, which is the second death (Revelation 20:11-15). For a summary of the final stage, you can read this passage: Revelation 21:1-8.





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April 27, 2009 04:19 PM
Hi,

Great answer - as a Christian myself, I completely agree that believers will go to a form of "heaven" and non-believers a form of "hell".

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April 26, 2009 11:49 PM
There is no reason to think that there is any sort of continued existence beyond death.

Our consciousness resides in our brain activity. When we die, our brain dies, and in turn our consciousness.

'Near-death experiences' are not proof of anything. They've been proven to simply be the brain producing powerful euphoric hallucinations, kind of a natural defense mechanism to 'buffer' death, or an experience the brain can't distinguish from death. In fact, under the right conditions, 'near-death experiences' can be elicited in a controlled environment where the subject is in no danger of dying but undergoes similar biological circumstances. Doing this we found that 18% of people will have 'NDE's (now you see I put it in single quotes because it's not something that really is exclusive to being "near death") under those circumstances), and their descriptions of their experiences parallel those of people who have 'real' NDEs. Check out my source for more details on that--and feel free to link anyone who's claimed to have "crossed over" to it, so that they can stop deceiving themselves.
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April 27, 2009 02:02 AM
First... This question isn't talking about NDE. We're talking about what happens after death.

Second, there's no question you can produce something that one could call an NDE. That doesn't prove that NDEs don't exist. I can pretend to be an elephant. That doesn't mean elephants don't exist. People can hallucinate elephants. That doesn't mean elephants don't exist.

Thirdly, your first sentence is incorrect. There are plenty of reasons to believe there is existence beyond death. Some of them are purely psychological, but there are plenty of examples, research, experiments and the like to indicate the possibility of existence beyond death.

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April 27, 2009 03:00 AM
"First... This question isn't talking about NDE. We're talking about what happens after death."

Several people were talking about so-called near-death experiences in this 'thread'. I'm just addressing that.

"Second, there's no question you can produce something that one could call an NDE. That doesn't prove that NDEs don't exist."

I never said they don't exist. I just offered plain evidence that there is nothing 'otherwordly' about them at all. They are reproducible in situations where no one is 'near death', and are very easily explained without making baseless assumptions about them being some sort of glimpse into an afterlife or something similar.

"Thirdly, your first sentence is incorrect. There are plenty of reasons to believe there is existence beyond death."

Maybe I should have clarified--there are no GOOD reasons to do so. Yes, believing in an afterlife first arose as a defense mechanism against the fear of death, but that doesn't mean life after death makes any sense.

It doesn't. It is impossible to propose a mechanism by which human consciousness can survive death without invoking 'magic' of some sort which has zero evidence behind it. If you disagree with this, propose such a mechanism that doesn't fit the mold I just described.

Please link me to the claimed (peer-reviewed, of course) "research" and "experiments" that "indicate the possibility of existence beyond death", please. I'd love to know what you're referring to.

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April 27, 2009 02:18 PM
Considering that Cjd is soliciting our personal thoughts on the subject, I don't see a problem with being certain, to some degree, about my own views.

By saying that I'm "pretty certain", I simply mean that my opinion is an informed one, not just a guess. It's not a definitive truth of any kind, only the best hypothesis and conceptual framework I can offer at this moment. As such, it's open to discussion, critical examination, etc... but, you'll have to come up with something more convincing than a dictionary entry - for one thing, it defines NDE as "a wide array of experiences reported by some people who have nearly died or who have thought they were going to die" whereas I was referring to well documented cases of people who were clinically dead by standards of modern Western medical science.

By the way, scientific materialism is also just another empirical hypothesis about the world, not a certain, proven (matter of) fact.

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April 27, 2009 02:56 PM
"I was referring to experiences of people who were clinically dead by standards of modern Western medical science."

I whack on the head by a baseball bat or a golf club are both blunt trauma, and insisting on focusing on baseball bat injuries only to inform oneself about blunt trauma is not sensible.

Likewise, the experiences of these people who are near-death and those in controlled experiments and no danger of death are biologically and physiologically IDENTICAL. There is no justification for drawing any real distinction between the two, as the human body itself cannot tell the difference.

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April 27, 2009 04:34 PM
Good answer! I like your informative paragraph about NDE, even if it is a little off-track from the question.

@interzone - Yes, give your opinion! If someone chooses it has unhelpful, then they are wrong. There is nothing wrong with sharing your own opinion - you have the right to in this question - and what makes this question interesting.

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April 27, 2009 12:39 AM
I believe that our reality is based on a common set of functioning chemicals that evolved in a manner that causes different species to be aware of different realities.
We have a different reality than that of whales for example.
When an individual dies these chemical reactions cease to function, therefore the reality ceases for that individual, although the reality continues for the species as a whole.
Eventually, our planet, solar system and star will cease to exist, and so will those species that have failed to move beyond this solar system. Eventually, our star will explode into gaseous matter. Eventually, this gaseous matter will coalesce and combine with gaseous matter from other exploded stars to form a new star and solar system. The atoms and molecules that we are made of will be used to manufacture this new system.
It is possible that eventually, new life will be formed from the same atoms and molecules that are presently used to make up you and me.
It is possible that our realities will continue to exist in another dimension, but I suspect that the idea is based more on chemical hope than chemical reality.

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April 27, 2009 04:24 PM
@morriss003, very interesting reponse. Do you believe science more than religion?

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April 27, 2009 01:18 AM
Only God or the Supream Being knows!

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April 27, 2009 02:06 AM
And the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

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April 27, 2009 04:32 PM
That's correct!

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April 27, 2009 01:57 AM
Energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed.

We are composed of and consist of matter and energy which makes up the physical part of our bodies and the processes that make our consciousness and thought processes possible.

Now, if you believe in a soul or some form of spirit connected to our body, you can think of that soul as a form of energy.

If you don't believe in a soul, most likely you still believe that there are electrical and biochemical transmissions that in addition to our physical bodies help to make up our consciousness.

When we die, we in almost all cases do so because some of our physical systems fail and/or we choose to, or accidentally cause severe damage to our body's systems in such a way that our bodies can no longer operate properly.

Once that happens, all the matter that makes up our bodies eventually goes somewhere -- either it is cremated and turned to ash, etc. or is buried in the ground and is eaten by insects, worms, bacteria, etc.

The energy that formerly was a part of our systems operations has to go somewhere too.

Now, either you believe that that all or part of that energy stays together... in some form of a post-death "afterlife" and it goes to some place such as "heaven" or "hell", or becomes part of a new entity via reincarnation, or stays around in a given place as a "ghost."

Or, if you don't believe in an "afterlife" you can simply believe that it dissipates in whole or in part and goes off like any other energy would.

Me personally? I haven't made up my mind yet.. but it's based on the above. You can have that answer... I'll come back and let you know _exactly_ what I personally believe about this question after Mahalo has developed the Afterlife Interface Widget, once I'm dead, that is. :)

As far as a Photo, I'd rather not 'borrow' an image capturing the above... but I will link to a clip from a film that I think is pretty entertaining about death, the afterlife, and truly living... Albert Brooks' "Defending Your Life"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orM45tKV5n0

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April 27, 2009 04:25 PM
Super answer!

Your ideas are VERY interesting and definitely make it seem possible that "the afterlife" could possibly exist.

I would love to see a Mahalo Afterlife Interface Widget. Maybe it would be http://mahalo.afterlife/answers!

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April 27, 2009 02:07 AM
I definitely believe what the Bible says. I believe in both Heaven and hell and that each individual has the freedom to choose his or her destiny while living on this earth. I also find joy in the hope that I will see my father, grandmother and close friends, who have already passed, in Heaven when my time comes to go.
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April 27, 2009 02:47 AM
Me too! The Bible certainly talks about Heaven and Hell... The Bible also often implies reincarnation! (Malachi 4:5, Matthew 16:13-14, and John 9:1-3 to name a few).

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April 27, 2009 03:55 PM
The first passage you mention (Malachi 4:5) implies resurrection or just a bodily appearance of Elijah without a second birth. That would be resurrection, not reincarnation.

The other two passages are the thoughts of other people and not the teachings of Christ:

Matthew 16:13-14 is a discussion about who people thought Jesus was. And of course, the Bible says that Jesus is the incarnation of God (John 1:14), not the reincarnation of any person.

John 9:1-3 is the opinions of people as to why a man was born blind. And although I don't have a source for it, I have heard that people of the day thought it was possible to sin while still in the womb, so to say that a man may have sinned to cause his blindness is probably not referring to reincarnation. Even if it were, Jesus says that it wasn't the case but that the man was born blind to display God's works.

The Bible says that it is appointed unto man once to die and after this, the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

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April 27, 2009 04:31 PM
Great answer. I certainly agree with you, that Heaven and Hell exists (as I am religious) but I would think that many atheists may disagree that these two exist, but maybe some form of afterlife.

I would love to see loved ones pass away in another world...hopefully Heaven!

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April 27, 2009 03:28 AM
Death is not the end of life. It is a transformation. Like you come
from office to home and change your clothes, at time of death we change
this body and get another body of lion, rat, elephant or even gods.

 At the time of death, the person we thought of at the last moment, be
it wife, son or pet, decides our destination. If we think of our cat
and die, we're going to be cat in our next life. If wife, then a woman
and if son, then a man.

What kind of body we get, this depends on what actions we have done in
our entire life. The soul or the spirit is judged according to whatever
good or bad he had done in his entire life.
The soul is entitled to go to heaven for good and hell for bad.
Here are some useful links:
Near death Experiences
Beyond birth and death
Easy journey to other planets
Life comes from life

I hope you read these ebooks.
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April 27, 2009 04:27 PM
Very interesting! So you believe in the principles of reincarnation and in the afterlife your being is in another form.

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April 27, 2009 08:56 AM
I don't think that there is any evidence for any kind of afterlife. When you're dead, you're dead.

I believe we do have a soul and it's called our brain and it is indeed very mortal. Therefore we will be gone and that will be it.

I don't find that idea frightening or sad in the least. As an Atheist, I see that there is only one life on earth for all of us and we shouldn't waste it trying to waste each other over whose imaginary friend is mightier and if people can bodily ascend into heaven on a pegusus or a cloud (newsflash: Nah, they can't)

So use the life you have, leave something good behind like good kids that can take care of themselves and an earth that they can still "use". And if a few animals and plants survive you as well and/or a legacy of artistic work, even better.

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April 27, 2009 04:29 PM
Brilliant answer and although I am religious, sometimes I question myself if the afterlife doesn't exist. We can never know as once you are dead - you are dead and how can you tell what happened to you!

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April 27, 2009 01:31 PM
Jack Handey said it best:

“When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy.”


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April 27, 2009 04:28 PM
Pie heaven...mmmm...delicious.

So you believe there might be a pie heaven?

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April 27, 2009 07:03 PM
I thought pie heaven was where all the pies go after they are no longer with us.

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April 27, 2009 04:29 PM
I believe that people go to Heaven or Hell or wherever they are going. I also believe that the ones that aren't ready to go remain on earth until they ARE ready. So I guess that means I believe in God, Jesus, angels, demons, the devil, and spirits.

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April 28, 2009 06:45 AM
Its really very hard to say that what would be happen after death rather there are lots of assumptions regarding this but personally I believe that a person can make his present life good self and may get chance to heaven after death.

"A copyeditor I once knew insisted that you should always capitalize the word Heaven. “Heaven,” he explained, “is a place. Like Poughkeepsie.”

A study from the University of Kentucky has quickly gained ground among scientists as possibly the best explanation for NDEs. Researchers there theorize that the mysterious phenomenon is really an instance of the sleep disorder rapid eye movement (REM) intrusion. In this disorder, a person's mind can wake up before his body, and hallucinations and the feeling of being physically detached from his body can occur.

The Kentucky researchers believe that NDEs are actually REM intrusions triggered in the brain by traumatic events like cardiac arrest. If this is true, then this means the experiences of some people following near-death are confusion from suddenly and unexpectedly entering a dream-like state.

This theory helps explain what has always been a tantalizing aspect of the mystery of NDEs: how people can experience sights and sounds after confirmed brain death. The area where REM intrusion is triggered is found in the brain stem -- the region that controls the most basic functions of the body -- and it can operate virtually independent from the higher brain. So even after the higher regions of the brain are dead, the brain stem can conceivably continue to function, and REM intrusion could still occur

A survey of 2,060 people showed 53 per cent believe in life after death, 55 per cent believe in heaven and 70 per cent believe in the human soul.

The study carried out between October and November last year for the public theology think tank Theos also showed nearly four in 10, or 39 per cent, believe in ghosts and more than a quarter (27 per cent) believe in reincarnation.

A further 22 per cent believe in astrology or horoscopes and 15 per cent believe in fortune telling or Tarot, the research revealed.

Half of people in London, the highest proportion in the UK, believe in ghosts, the survey showed.

Scotland had the highest number of people who believe in fortune telling or Tarot at 18 per cent and Wales had the highest proportion of people who believe in reincarnation at 32 per cent.

Theos said the comparison with the 1950s was "especially striking".

In 1950, it said, only 10 per cent of the public told Gallup that they believed in ghosts, and just 2 per cent thought they had seen one.

In 1951, only 7 per cent of the public said they believed in predicting the future by cards and 6 per cent by stars.

But the organisation said the latest research showed an increase in scepticism about certain aspects of the supernatural.

In a 1998 Mori poll, 18 per cent of the public said they believed in fortune telling and 38 per cent in astrology. A further 40 per cent said they believed in ghosts, and 15 per cent said that they had personal experience of ghosts.

Theos director Paul Woolley said: "The enlightenment optimism in the ability of science and reason to explain everything ended decades ago.

"The extent of belief will probably surprise people, but the finding is consistent with other research we have undertaken.

"The results indicate that people have a very diverse and unorthodox set of beliefs.

"Our research may point to a slight increase in scepticism about aspects of the supernatural over the last 10 years."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5144766/Most-people-bel...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-life-after-death.htm


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April 28, 2009 06:40 PM
Brilliant response - I love the facts, very informative!

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