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I am a Catholic, and speaking bluntly, the shroud of Turin, as well as many other religious artifacts to which great popular esteem and adoration have been given, are just that to me, mere artifacts venerated by the popular masses.
There is nothing wrong in this, nor is there anything sacrilegious in not following that crowd.
The shroud of Turin has always had debunkers assailing it. Carbon dating techniques were used in the past, but those findings were dismissed by the believers as having been inconsistent due to repairs down on the cloth in the medieval period.
Religious artifacts do not make the Church, they can be a vehicle for people to show veneration in a popular degree, but they are not the Church. As such, whatever be the case with the shroud of Turin, it does not weaken nor bolster my belief in the Church and my Faith.
It has always seemed odd to me how those overwhelmed by religion actually attempt to limit the power of God only to what they can understand. It has also always seemed equally as odd to me how those overwhelmed by science limit themselves only to what can be proven to them.
Well now, this should bring me comments a plenty. Religion and science, could there be any topic more polarizing. Oh yes, I guess I will have to throw some unrelated politics into it just to make the trifecta...Obama is doomed to be a one term President. There!
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Regardless, one's spiritual beliefs are, hopefully, not solely entrenched in mere physicalities. Think of it this way: If every cultural or religious artifact suddenly vanished off the face of the Earth, would everyone's beliefs disappear with them? Is it that such physical items are foundations without which our beliefs have no meaning? Remember the lesson of Dr Seuss' "How The Grinch Stole Christmas"! (and, yes, sometimes, childrens' stories yield adult morals!)
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"The Catholic Church does not claim the Shroud is authentic nor that it is a matter of faith, but says it should be a powerful reminder of Christ's passion."
Secondly, all this proves is that the same effect is possible, just as modern medicine achieves the same effect as a healing miracle. Perhaps the question should not be "would the shroud still be an important symbol" but what else should be an important symbol as well.
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October 05, 2009 06:51 PM
Does this change your opinion of the Shroud of Turin? ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091005/sc_nm/us_italy_shroud
Do you believe this scientist? Does it impact your view of the church?
Most importantly:
Is the shoud of turin still an important holy symbol even if it is not the biblical shroud?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33749589@N07/3984077675/
Do you believe this scientist? Does it impact your view of the church?
Most importantly:
Is the shoud of turin still an important holy symbol even if it is not the biblical shroud?
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| October 05, 2009 09:30 PM |
There is nothing wrong in this, nor is there anything sacrilegious in not following that crowd.
The shroud of Turin has always had debunkers assailing it. Carbon dating techniques were used in the past, but those findings were dismissed by the believers as having been inconsistent due to repairs down on the cloth in the medieval period.
Religious artifacts do not make the Church, they can be a vehicle for people to show veneration in a popular degree, but they are not the Church. As such, whatever be the case with the shroud of Turin, it does not weaken nor bolster my belief in the Church and my Faith.
It has always seemed odd to me how those overwhelmed by religion actually attempt to limit the power of God only to what they can understand. It has also always seemed equally as odd to me how those overwhelmed by science limit themselves only to what can be proven to them.
Well now, this should bring me comments a plenty. Religion and science, could there be any topic more polarizing. Oh yes, I guess I will have to throw some unrelated politics into it just to make the trifecta...Obama is doomed to be a one term President. There!
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iEpbatbYlTMk7i4ydVWEnJ0SU...
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• Great, you covered my question nicely & ended on a lighthearted note.
Frankly after I posted it I became a little worried it was too polarizing a question, but as always Mahalo's answers were classy and thoughtful.
Frankly after I posted it I became a little worried it was too polarizing a question, but as always Mahalo's answers were classy and thoughtful.
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October 05, 2009 07:47 PM
Despite the fact that the Shroud of Turin and other religious artifacts of many religions have been debunked over the years, zealots will believe as they wish. Regardless, one's spiritual beliefs are, hopefully, not solely entrenched in mere physicalities. Think of it this way: If every cultural or religious artifact suddenly vanished off the face of the Earth, would everyone's beliefs disappear with them? Is it that such physical items are foundations without which our beliefs have no meaning? Remember the lesson of Dr Seuss' "How The Grinch Stole Christmas"! (and, yes, sometimes, childrens' stories yield adult morals!)
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October 05, 2009 07:47 PM
Exactly as the article states: "The Catholic Church does not claim the Shroud is authentic nor that it is a matter of faith, but says it should be a powerful reminder of Christ's passion."
Secondly, all this proves is that the same effect is possible, just as modern medicine achieves the same effect as a healing miracle. Perhaps the question should not be "would the shroud still be an important symbol" but what else should be an important symbol as well.
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October 05, 2009 09:32 PM
As far as I know (and I'm sure I'll be corrected in a minute), the Shroud still has quite a bit of mystery behind it. If this guy has reproduced it, I'd be pretty excited to learn the details. My guess is that he hasn't reproduced it, but only portions of it, and not the most interesting portions.
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