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Do creationists really believe in creationism, or do they use it as a tool to control the weak minded?
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Okay, there is absolutely no way this question can be answered without enraging someone... the way it was asked is already inflammatory.
But I'm going to venture an answer that should appease at least some of both sides of this discussion.
Do some creationists believe in Creationism? Yes. Some of them believe in it completely, wholeheartedly, and even in the face of scientific proof in our current universe will state that the very fact that Creationism cannot be proved is proof that God exists, and performed Creationism as a miracle act, something no one but an all-powerful God could do.
Do some creationists use the theory of Creation, the sect of Creationism as a mind control tool? Yes. Some do, believe it and use it as a tool in which they can manipulate people into believing, thinking or acting a certain way, but they actually believe the theory themselves. Then there are some who do this who don't believe the theory, but are interested in or amused by the fact so many can be 'controlled' by it.
Then there are those who don't believe in Creationism at all. These folks, usually with a scientific bent, believe only in the theory of evolutionary growth and change, survival of the fittest (Darwinism) etc.
And then there are folks like me: people who think that creationism and evolution can peacefully coexist - that it's possible God created both, that God does exist, that he made Adam and Eve, but that he also caused the big bang that created evolutionary process.
Even the smallest child among us can intuitively know that behind creation there must be a creator. I have no problem if the Creator also uses science to create - after all, if God did create everything, he created science and scientists too.
The point being, the two--creationism and evolution--do not have to be mutually exclusive, and neither of them have to be about mind control, sheeple, or anything else.
Each belief is personal, and we may never know the truth. Until then, it never hurts to err on the side of caution.
However, I have never sought to change someone's belief, faith or opinion, and I simply do not understand other's desires to do so. All faiths, theories, beliefs, comforts and religions can actually peacefully coexist without hurting anyone if one thing exists: respect.
But I'm going to venture an answer that should appease at least some of both sides of this discussion.
Do some creationists believe in Creationism? Yes. Some of them believe in it completely, wholeheartedly, and even in the face of scientific proof in our current universe will state that the very fact that Creationism cannot be proved is proof that God exists, and performed Creationism as a miracle act, something no one but an all-powerful God could do.
Do some creationists use the theory of Creation, the sect of Creationism as a mind control tool? Yes. Some do, believe it and use it as a tool in which they can manipulate people into believing, thinking or acting a certain way, but they actually believe the theory themselves. Then there are some who do this who don't believe the theory, but are interested in or amused by the fact so many can be 'controlled' by it.
Then there are those who don't believe in Creationism at all. These folks, usually with a scientific bent, believe only in the theory of evolutionary growth and change, survival of the fittest (Darwinism) etc.
And then there are folks like me: people who think that creationism and evolution can peacefully coexist - that it's possible God created both, that God does exist, that he made Adam and Eve, but that he also caused the big bang that created evolutionary process.
Even the smallest child among us can intuitively know that behind creation there must be a creator. I have no problem if the Creator also uses science to create - after all, if God did create everything, he created science and scientists too.
The point being, the two--creationism and evolution--do not have to be mutually exclusive, and neither of them have to be about mind control, sheeple, or anything else.
Each belief is personal, and we may never know the truth. Until then, it never hurts to err on the side of caution.
However, I have never sought to change someone's belief, faith or opinion, and I simply do not understand other's desires to do so. All faiths, theories, beliefs, comforts and religions can actually peacefully coexist without hurting anyone if one thing exists: respect.
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I am convinced that true creationists truly believe in creationism. I am convinced they are as firm in their belief in creationism as they are in their faith in the Lord, the scriptures, and their religion in general.
The people that truly believe in creationism are the 'hardliners' of Christianity, who would like to take the Bible as literal as possible, and don't allow for any interpretation.
The people that truly believe in creationism are the 'hardliners' of Christianity, who would like to take the Bible as literal as possible, and don't allow for any interpretation.
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My opinion, and lots of discussions with creationists.
My opinion, and lots of discussions with creationists.
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There is enough physical evidence to support creation that I have no trouble accepting it as fact.
Much of the evidence to the contrary is as much an interpretation of data in favor of the interpreter as any other.
If a person believes we descended from dolphins or were the result of alien visitations I'm sure they could make a strong case to support it too. In the end a person has to choose what to believe because with our present ability with technology, there are scientific evidence/anomalies that weigh in favor of either side.
We'll get more data and better scientific technique. The age of "size matters" has already been supplemented with DNA tests. I'm sure future generations will have even more tools at their disposal.
The Bible works as a literal interpretation of creation. After all, where else did the 7 day week come from? :)
Much of the evidence to the contrary is as much an interpretation of data in favor of the interpreter as any other.
If a person believes we descended from dolphins or were the result of alien visitations I'm sure they could make a strong case to support it too. In the end a person has to choose what to believe because with our present ability with technology, there are scientific evidence/anomalies that weigh in favor of either side.
We'll get more data and better scientific technique. The age of "size matters" has already been supplemented with DNA tests. I'm sure future generations will have even more tools at their disposal.
The Bible works as a literal interpretation of creation. After all, where else did the 7 day week come from? :)
There is NO physical evidence for 'creation' or a 'supreme being', but I'm not going to go into that discussion here, that is a futile effort.
But I find your comment
" The Bible works as a literal interpretation of creation. After all, where else did the 7 day week come from?" interesting.
This is a perfect circular reasoning. Somehow we got to use a 7-day week, someone wrote that down in The Bible, and presto, you got your proof that The Bible is supposed to be meant literally...
Or was that :) meant as a joke?
But I find your comment
" The Bible works as a literal interpretation of creation. After all, where else did the 7 day week come from?" interesting.
This is a perfect circular reasoning. Somehow we got to use a 7-day week, someone wrote that down in The Bible, and presto, you got your proof that The Bible is supposed to be meant literally...
Or was that :) meant as a joke?
If you want to see a tool for control of the weak minded then watch CNN. Yes most people of faith (and I am not one) DO believe in God as hard as it is for some of you to believe.
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Http://www.cnn.com
Huh? what does CNN have to do with this question? or are you so wedded to your political views that you just had to work that in there?
Yes that is why I worked that in there.
you are from North Carolina so you probably think the president was born in Kenya and is a socialist,and you also have no problem with the confederate flag.
You got one of those right, bigot.
a word you know nothing of.
do you even know what the confederate flag stands for bigot?
do you even know what the confederate flag stands for bigot?
The Flag as with most flags stands for different things for different people. I doubt you and I would agree. Your clear dislike of Souterners leads me to conclude this conversation is pointless.
you people get all worked up and claim you are against government spending but had no problem with it when Bush was president. companies ripping off the government, it does not matter, 9 billion mission in Iraq, it does not matter, oh wait I know acorn, acorn, acorn, liberals, acorn, liberals, left-wing bias, acorn. tax cuts for the rich,
See there you go thinking you know everything about somebody. I am not a Republican, and I sure as heck don't like George Bush. I do political blogging and other writing and have compared Bush to Obama, I see little difference in the two.
he flag was resurrected as a symbol of oppression to show blacks where they were. it is not a dislike it is a drag on the country, it is a mentality that everyone should sacrifice for the wealthy, it is attacking people patriotism by wearing purple band aids yet many of the same people could not be bothered to serve. it is seeing creepy people that often times did perverted things when I was stationed at Fort Jackson. the south has a history of doing things that do not live up to the American ideals and generally takes more than it gives, the south is the toughest on crime and yet has some of the most violent places in the country.
oh thats right, you are a conservative, which basically means you are a republican but dont admit it.
Open your mind just a bit, you don't have to be a Republican to be a conservative. You libs accuse everyone else of being a bigot but you are the ones attacking the South in general just for kicks.
"open your mind" then says you libs, the south has history, and you deny it. you run around saying "Im conservative"but really you are a member of the GOP, the dixiecrats migrated over to the republicans, you say you have policy differences with Obama, but where were you when Bush was president? and the GOP organized Tea Parties? Dick Armey? are you kidding? yes it is about hate, when someone like Joe Wilson, yells at the president and then you look at his history, worked for Strom Thurmond, opposed the revelation of Stroms love child but. will attack the other side. what branch of the service were you in anyway.
of course you know when Clinton was president we had declining welfare rolls and lowering poverty rates, Reagan fought the MLK holiday for years.
I voted for Bill Clinton actually. I stopped being in the GOP when the first Bush took office.
Heck everyone had a job and didn't hate each others guts like we do now. Clinton was a good president.
I did not vote for Bill Clinton and regretted not being a part of what turned out to be a pretty good presidency.
Okay, you two - let's make this very clear. I'm NOT southern, I'm Texan, and there IS a difference, especially when you consider where Texas was and stood during the civil war.
PLEASE before you go spouting off about the confederate flag, please, please do your research on it first: http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/the-true-meaning-of-the-confederate-flag/
This isn't all of it, and is slightly biased, but it will start you off in the right direction.
No symbol can have meaning we don't give to it ourselves, and it is no more a race symbol than it is a war symbol any longer. Please, let the issue die a peaceful death.
Lastly - this is NOT a political debate forum and the question was NOT about politics, CNN, racism or anything else except creationism, and even the question was asked in a loaded manner.
Why can't people just play nice? Seriously? Why?
PLEASE before you go spouting off about the confederate flag, please, please do your research on it first: http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/the-true-meaning-of-the-confederate-flag/
This isn't all of it, and is slightly biased, but it will start you off in the right direction.
No symbol can have meaning we don't give to it ourselves, and it is no more a race symbol than it is a war symbol any longer. Please, let the issue die a peaceful death.
Lastly - this is NOT a political debate forum and the question was NOT about politics, CNN, racism or anything else except creationism, and even the question was asked in a loaded manner.
Why can't people just play nice? Seriously? Why?
I don't know why, Michy. Perhaps because of the big chip on their shoulders. :)
For the record I don't believe in creationism or Bush and I am from Oklahoma.
I applauded the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against him. :)
For the record I don't believe in creationism or Bush and I am from Oklahoma.
I applauded the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against him. :)
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And done I might add with respect to ALL.
My personal belief is best summed up by the words of a great elder;
Hehaka Sapa, or Black Elk, Sioux elder
"The first peace, which is the most important,
is that which comes within the souls of people when they realize
their relationship, their oneness with the universe and all its powers,
and when they realize that at the center of the universe dwells the Great Spirit,
and that this center is really everywhere,
it is within each of us."
Black Elk
So yes I believe in a Creator but I too believe that evolution is also a creation.