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M$1 December 13, 2008 09:41 PM

What do you think about the government making efforts to control the population?

In China, families are rewarded for only having one child, and penalized when they break the one child rule. With the population spiraling out of control, do you think the government of a country has the right to interfere and attempt to control the number of children a family has?
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December 16, 2008 03:42 AM
I would say that it's a needed course of action in some countries, and not in others. What ecanned pointed out about developed countries is true; Japan is a very good example of a dangerously plummeting population.

On the other hand you could look at "population control" as a measure that goes both ways. In Japan's case, they would need to begin government sponsored programs to support further growth, such as tax breaks or guaranteed paid time off for family time. That paid time off would need to extend to the family as a whole and would not be specifically restricted to pregnant women. Part of Japan's problem is that they work like robots and rarely come home for longer than just enough time to sleep. Sometimes they don't even do that.

Closer to home here in the U.S. we have such a huge surge of families from Mexico that it's become a strong political issue. Families in poorer countries have more children because it is not expected that all of their children will survive, and ultimately someone has to be around to continue the family. Unfortunately many of them are crossing the boarder illegally and are consequently putting a strain on resources.

Of course, I can't for a moment blame people for seeking a better life for their family.

Both cases - raising or decreasing population - should be approached with public education. Seminars, TV, radio, and your typical advertisement posters are all good sources to disseminate factual data. The more educated the populace is about a situation the more likely they will be to take control themselves. This allows the most significant part of the moral issue to be side stepped.

The downside to this is that this process will be slower and will probably require an effort spanning a few generations. The fruits of this labor wouldn't be seen for a good bit of time.

This may also seem costly, but in truth the cost is probably small compared to the cost of uncontrolled growth or an evaporating population.

There will also always be people who think that it's their "God given right (or duty) to have 8 kids", or however many. For this, you would need something like etphonehome's idea of stopping subsidies after X amount of children (if your attempt is to reduce population). You could even tax such families a certain amount of additional percentage points per child over the target family size.

It's an issue that's easy to go back-and-forth on quite a bit, but ultimately our species does need to do something about its out-of-control breeding. We are like any other animal; we have our habitat and that habitat has its resources, and that's it.


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December 13, 2008 10:28 PM
The idea of personal liberty is an extremely important one. No government should have the right to arbitrarily remove liberty from citizens. This would ideally include the decision about how many children to have.

Now, there is one exception to this rule: when your personal liberty interferes with someone else's. That is where the legitimate role of government comes into play.

If there are limited resources that cannot possibly support a larger population, then government action is required, no way around it. Otherwise, the well-being of all citizens is affected. China believes that it cannot support more people (this is arguable, of course).

Population control is not ideal, but the problem is real and must be dealt with in some fashion. So, in this particular case, I think the government would be irresponsible if they stood by and did nothing.

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December 15, 2008 07:15 PM
It really depends on what the government is doing to control the population. China's one child rule has disastrous effects on families and the population as a whole. Many other immoral attempts have been made by governments to control populations, such as the USA's sterilization of "undesirables" without their consent during the early 20th century.

Despite these atrocities however, there is a desperate need for an ethically responsible population control program to prevent over population. Ethical population control will prevent food, water, and energy shortages. Many political theorists hypothesize that the next large scale war will be fought over access to fresh water. You can look at the situation in the Middle East and china as clear examples of this. You can even examine the attempts of California to purchase water from Minnesota and the great lakes region because their continued population and economic growth has overwhelmed the regions own water supplies.

For a good understanding of overpopulation as an issue I would recommend studying Thomas Robert Malthus. There are other issues both moral and practical that complicate this issue greatly, but that does not change the fact that the human race will eventually run out of resources at which point drastic changes in our life styles will occur.

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December 15, 2008 07:54 PM
I think it might be reasonable to enact a law that says any children over a certain number (2 or 3, perhaps) are not eligible to be claimed as a dependent for tax purposes. Anything beyond that would be too heavy-handed in my opinion, unless we became massively overcrowded.

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December 15, 2008 08:14 PM
No, the more developed a country gets, the less the population growth (minus immigration). In order for a country to have an increasing population rate (minus immigration), each couple would need to average 2 children. That just is not happening in the most developed countries.

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December 15, 2008 09:03 PM
The attempt to control population is long overdue and inadequate outside of China. That, after all, is our basic problem. What's worse, some people have known that for a long time but almost nothing has been done.

As a bare minimum I would redo the tax code; instead of an exemption for a child, there should be a surtax.

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December 15, 2008 10:54 PM
Population control, although a subject that is hard to address due to moral conflicts, is a major idea that confronts today's society. As humans use up what little resources our planet offers up, our planet will not be able to sustain larger and larger populations.

This idea can be seen in the logistic growth model:

dN............ (K - N)
----- = r(max)N-----------
dt .................. K

As the population size (N) increases by r(max), the exponential rate of increase, and nears an area's carrying capacity (K), the population eventually reaches a point where the environment can no longer sustain it.

Methods of population control would need to be put in place in order to keep our population healthy as a whole.

One example of this is the case where the United States Government decided to clear a plateau of predators in order to allow the population of deer to grow and become a great herd. When the predators were removed, the population of the deer spiked until there were so many deer that the plateau could not longer support them. Once this happened, the deer started to die of starvation and disease, leading to a smaller heard than there was before the removal of predators.

Do we want this to happen to humans? Decide for yourself.

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December 16, 2008 04:56 AM
Population control's true motive is eugenics. The reason for government control is government survival. Governments need to create a climate of reliance and fear to survive. The elite who rule a society often believe they are genetically superior to the masses. This is why they often interbreed with one another (i.e. "royal bloodlines"). Population control is an issue, not so much due to the planet's resources, but due to the fear of the ruling elite, that larger populations may eventually break their control grids. As we move into the age of technology, less humans are needed (for slave labor), and reducing the population has more benefits than risks, for those who are at the "top of the food chain", as they think of it.

If you study the origins of the eugenics movement, you will understand how it plays a large part in nearly all policy-driven initiatives whether government or NGO.

Essentially, they are trying to cull the gene pool of inferiors and upbreed their own progeny to be masters of the masses. This same thing has happened throughout history. The more things change, the more they stay the same. What has changed, however, is that machines will be able to phase much of humanity out, so many people have lost their purpose, and therefore are expendable, in the new world plantations of technocracy.

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Much research on eugenics and population control initiatives.


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