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Should people who answer a question not be allowed to rate the helpfulness of other answers?

It seems like you have a bias problem when someone is rating the helpfulness of a competing answer, and that this will lead to people rating down other answers to help theirs look better. I think it would be better if people couldn't rate the helpfulness of the answers to a question after having answered that question themselves, and that if they rated them BEFORE answering, that those ratings would be undone, to keep the system as objective as possible.

What do you think?

EDIT: Maybe a better idea would be do like the above, except instead of removing the ability to rate at all, you could only remove the ability to rate as unhelpful, since rating someone else's answer as helpful is obviously never going to be an act of biased self-interest.
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jasoncalacanis | 3 years, 4 months ago
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This is an interesting idea, however we are watching people's helpful votes and if someone runs down the page and clicks "NO" on everyone elses answers we will know that.

Also we may, at some point soon, expose who has voted a question helpful or not. This means if someone decides to run through the system and vote every single one of your questions unhelpful for some insane reason not only will we know, you and everyone else will.

Ownership of votes and ethical behavior in Answers is very important to us. We are only letting super ethical people get to the brown and blackbelt levels AFTER we review their activity. We would NEVER let someone to brown or blackbelt if they did something unethical.

As such, in another three months there will be two classes of users on Mahalo:

1. upper belts (brown and black)
2. lower belts (purple and under)

Upper belts will have a LOT of special privileges because they've EARNED them. For example, we might let Brown and Black Belts get a 10 minute head start on paid questions. That would do two things:

a) Reward our best users with first shot at the money
b) Ensure the first answers are the best answers--which will drive more paid questions

This, of course, would require 100-200 upper belts... which we are on our way to having.

Long story short: act with honor.
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ppalmer21 | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

I really appreciate this statement about ethics. A focus not on how many points one gets but rather on how a person earns those points is important for the success of MA.

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bugsy | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

You don't have to click on everyone, just on the "competition". :P How do you watch that, then? It's impossible. If your answer is good and it's rated unhelpful, then you have the urge to vote all the above answers as unhelpful, for revenge. I personally don't care about reaching a belt level, I care that my answers are rated helfpul, and now that thing is kinda' going down the drain. There's gotta' be another way.

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drmatt | 3 years, 4 months ago
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That sounds useful... And you still have the Refute option in case there is an objectionable answer.

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answerman | 3 years, 4 months ago
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I think deleting or disallowing the "unhelpful" votes of people who answer a question is an excellent proposal.

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burtonwarpup | 3 years, 4 months ago
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I wouldn't like that. Sometimes after I've given an answer, someone gives a better one. Or it could be a different answer that's still very helpful. Not all questions have one good answer.

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burtonwarpup | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

Yeah, I meant that sometimes I want to mark another answer helpful after I've already answered. Disable the unhelpful after that might work then.

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pescina | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

I've done this a few times before: rating somebody else's answer as helpful even if I already answered the same question. It just has to do with what I find useful.

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clarusvisum | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

I'm not quite following what your point is. If you mean that you wouldn't like losing the ability to rate another answer as HELPFUL after you've given yours, well...maybe the solution would be to just disable rating other answers as UNhelpful after you've answered. After all, that's the 'abuse' I'm trying to eliminate.

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easyeboy | 3 years, 4 months ago
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I like this idea, because there is a lot of competition on Mahalo Answers, and being that this site is so cut throat, the one answerer is trying to beat the other sometimes, and the only way they know how to do this is to knock the other answerer down, and say it's unhelpful. I've seen this happen to me before, yet in the end the answer that really is the best answer in the mind of the asker usually shines through over the voting.
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philipy | 3 years, 4 months ago
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Ah, I thought only the person that asked the question got to rate the answers.

Frankly, that would seem to be the most logical approach, as they are the only one that knows how well an answer meets their particular question and their partiicular needs.

Allowing "competitors" to rate each other's answers seems a bit strange. Not everyone is above sneaky tricks, especially when there is a chance to make a buck or two.

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philipy | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

Follow up thought...

Maybe a simple solution technically would be to limit how many negative ratings you can hand out per day. So everyone has the right to strike out one or two stinkers, but no one can systematically go around giving bad rating for the hell of it.

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darcy logan | 3 years, 4 months ago
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I think the problem is twofold:

1. Some people think if the rate other people's answers unhelpful will make their answer look better. Let me tell you, it does NOT work that way.
2. People misunderstand that "unhelpful" does not mean "I disagree with" and click on answers that they think are "wrong." (Speaking more about opinions than facts.) It can always be helpful to see the other point of view.

IMO, "helpful" or "unhelpful" is more about the intention of the answerer. Did the person try to give a helpful answer or were they just trying to be funny?

However, that does not mean everyone else agrees with this judgment.

Unfortunately, there would be an easy way to bypass the "no vote" rule. Vote for answers and THEN answer the question.

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darcy logan | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

You usually are clarusvisum! Definitely need to read all of the answer before replying to it. Good thinking!!

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clarusvisum | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

"there would be an easy way to bypass the "no vote" rule. Vote for answers and THEN answer the question."

Way ahead of you, Darcy. I quote myself from the original question:

"...if they rated them BEFORE answering, that those ratings would be undone, to keep the system as objective as possible."

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tracebooks | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

That's how I see it too, Darcy.

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bugsy | 3 years, 4 months ago Report

I wrote this here: http://www.mahalo.com/answers/mahalo-answers-community/new-feature-next-question-link-on-top-right#ab07cf1b361009df1b924ce572c2d79b8a7e46ed372b461523ba27191a52ebc5c

And I'm offtopic, since there was no question to deal with this issue. Could someone move that answer? It's already getting unhelpful votes. *rolleyes*

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