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Should bootlegs be considered a part of an artist's discography when indexing their career or not?

If an artist has 5 studio albums, 3 EP's, 2 live albums, and 1 greatest hit/compilation, should the addition of 25 concerts recorded and saved as a piece of media (mp3, Flac, ogg, etc) be considered a part of their official discography? Such as the bootlegs for Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin or Van Halen?
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darcy logan | 3 years, 5 months ago
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No.

Looking at the definition of "discography" as being: complete collection of the releases of a musical act; List of all of the releases of a certain musical act, usually with release dates.

A bootleg is defined as a "recording is an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist." Since it was not released, it should not be listed on the official discography.

However, I could see having a secondary "bootography" that lists them.

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mrnemo | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I think it depends. If it is valuable to the artists career, than it should be included. I don't think live shows should be a part of this unless they were officially release.

A good example of a "bootleg" that should be included in an index would be "The Grey Album" by Danger Mouse. This was never released because of licensing issues, but its viral spread on the internet made Danger Mouse famous.

I don't think a live recording that was slated for release but never released is important enough, unless the artist has said that it was important to him but there were licensing issues; in this case, it may be worth mentioning in a biography/capsule, but not necessarily a discography. Discography should be reserved for official releases or independent releases, or albums that may not have been official but were career milestones.

Also, let's imagine that Guns and Roses had not released "Chinese Democracy," nor given any indication that it would be released, yet it had been discussed and worked on for a decade. An album like this could be added as "unreleased" or "in production."

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carriep | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I think a case-by-case review is the best way to go. Certain artists are at their best live, and, even though they may not officially sanction bootlegs, the bootlegs are an integral part of the artist's work. The Grateful Dead and Bob Dylan are good examples.

For other artists, you'll gain very little with a bootleg. Britney Spears, for example.

Then there are other artists who pump out so much of their rough, live tracks that considering bootleg discography is not necessary. Like Ben Folds pretty much have his own bootleg recordings presented on a regular basis, so no real need to consider that stuff in his pantheon.

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bmlhailstone | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I think they should. Especially if the were recorded with the intent to make a record. To put this question into perspective a bit, consider Matisyahu. One of his albums "Live at Stubbs" was a live recorded album from a concert in Texas. The thing is, they edited out gaps, cleaned it up, and made them into distinct tracks. If you just have a recording of a full concert, with no editing and all the crowd noise between songs, etc., then perhaps not. But if the item was recorded to be intentionally edited and resold as an album, then absolutely.

Otherwise, no.

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k3vin187 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Yes. I would want to see bootlegs in the discography time line because it is a performance by the artist. I don't think it should be part of the official time line but it would be helpful on a fan site.

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haggen daaz | 3 years, 5 months ago
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If you want to follow strict library science, the answer is no. Bootlegs by their very nature are "unofficial" and often hated by the artist. You of course can add them as footnotes to an official releases' entry in your own indice ala

Pink Floyd "Careful With That Axe Eugene"* - Ummagumma 1971 Virgin Recordings

* Song six from unofficial live recording Der Harpenkeller, Amsterdam 12/7/74
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katd1026 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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The first rock bootleg was released 30 years ago and during the decades since this illegal practice has catered for the demands of music fans by releasing rare and live recordings, whatever the means and circumstances.Being an illegal marketing practice it practically made Bob Dylan's career rocket.Hence..bootlegs should be included.moremusic.co/uk
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electricbrain | 3 years, 5 months ago
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It depends on where you intend to display the list. If it's for an official music sales site then it makes no sense to list bootlegs. If you're keeping track of unreleased material for a grassroots fan club, there's probably interest in what the artist may have done that wasn't formally released through commercial channels. You should also probably defer to the wishes of the artist -- if they want the material forever banished, out of respect for their artistic intentions, you may want to omit it. If it simply wasn't released due to commercial non-viability, then maybe the artist wouldn't mind. Ask their management or the record company to find out for sure!

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exedore6 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Short answer, no.

The artist's discography should be only released albums, and unreleased, but intended to be released albums. (For example, an album that doesn't get released because of copyright issues, or label problems could be considered part of the discography, also, recordings like Metallica's No Life Till Leather, which was distributed as a bootleg, but was essentially Metallica's self produced first album.)

If concert bootlegs were considered part of a band's discography, then every recording of the band would have to be considered for inclusion. There needs to be some sort of official stamp from the artist.

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adamschoales | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I think it really depends on the artist and the caliber of the bootleg. There are quick a lot of bootlegs that have become so famous that they're almost part of the official discography.

That said, I personally would keep them in a seperate section. Just like "Live Albums" or "Studio Albums".

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drscott15 | 3 years, 5 months ago
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yes, sometimes the best songs are on bootlegs.

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cmannering | 3 years, 5 months ago
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If the artist does not receive compensation for something I don't see how or why it should be indexed on their discography. And if it is I would think whomever recorded and compiled it would have to be acknowledged or sign over all rights to it.

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spoon | 3 years, 5 months ago
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I think an artist should be viewed by the music that they actually wanted released. Often times the bootlegs that come out are songs that an artist did not want to release to the public for whatever reason, by not releasing the song the artist is making a statement about their music. Fans (or for that matter non-fans) should base their opinions off of the songs that the artist feels are up to their standards.

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aatw | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Bootlegs should be kept separate from the artists catalog. The official releases are what the artist produced for you to hear. The variable sound quality on boots should limit their inclusion.

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waldo | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Although bootlegs sometimes have very interesting material, I don't consider them to be sactioned by the artists themselves because they don't necessarily have their involvement.
An artist should have all control over whatever he/she produces, so it preserves their vision.

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