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Should abortion be legal on a federal level and left up to the states to decide?

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albanian | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Completely aside from the debate on abortion, note that out and out murder is not a federal crime except on federal land or waters. If you shoot someone dead, you will be prosecuted under state laws against murder. So, hypothetically, even if abortion really was murder, it would still be a state function.

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shantyminister | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Abortion is already legal on a Federal level.
States (individually) have slowly eroded the health rights of grown women over the last 16 years.  It should not be the Fed (nor state) Government's right nor ability to make certain personal and family decisions for (only) one sector of the population (i.e. women) if it purports to be a truly FREE society. 

One aim of Sex education should be to make abortions rare and a decision of last resort -- not to make them illegal. 

There are privacy rights involved too-- the right for a woman (with her family/friends)  to make reproductive AND health choices for herself, her family etc., unencumbered by the morality, religious or personal influences of outsiders.  Otherwise, you have the Government telling you how and what to do in regards to your family.  That is not a Free society.  That is gender inequality and fascist.

Perhaps some of you don't remember what it was like to be in a time where women didn't have control over their own sexuality or reproductive rights, but I seriously doubt you want to return to a time when strangers-- particularly men should control how and what women do with their own bodies. 
No such State (neither Federal nor States' rights level) presently mandates the reproductive rights of men. (That is to say, there would be an inherent inequity in telling/legislating what a woman can do w/ her body but not what men should be required to do.)

What if men were told that if they didn't meet certain societal "requirements" they would be forced to have certain medical procedures-- like a vasectomy ?

A free people and nation should never want to usurp privacy rights and be so biased as to think it has the RIGHT to tell 50% of the population what reproductive choices are available to them while extending no such limitations to the other half of the population. 

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nativenerd | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

Interesting spin on the men being forced to do something...rights groups are up in arms against the Czech Republic...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/05/czech.castrate/index.html
" The central European country castrated at least 94 prisoners in the 10 years up to April 2008, when investigators from the Council of Europe, a human-rights forum, visited the Czech Republic.

The Council of Europe condemned the practice as "degrading.""

Like most my posts today...a bit extreme...but, meh...I'm in a mood...lol

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chazzyfen | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Yes. In the constitution the government has all of its powers listed. These are called delegated powers, and belong solely to the federal government. Everything not mentioned in the constitution as a delegated power is a reserved power and belongs to the states alone. Granted, there are some concurrent powers and the federal government constantly oversteps it bounds. However, I am certain that the founding fathers did not think of abortion when they made the US constitution, so it probably isn't listed anywhere. Therefore, it would fall under the reserved power category and the decision would fall solely to states.

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cheesehead dave | 3 years, 3 months ago
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And of course, if it fell to the states to decide, all anyone in a conservative, abortion-banning state would have to do is take a little trip to the liberal abortion-allowing state of their choice, so no real change there.

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radagast1986 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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No. Abortions should not be left up to the states to decide either. It is a personal decision, and the government in no way should be involved with the medical procedures of individuals. That being said, the states should also not FUND abortion either. Tax dollars are being spent on abortion reduction, and that is unjustified as well.
I might add this as a qualifier: The question of whether or not abortion is right or wrong is not the question - this question can also be answered on an individual basis. After all, justifiability of such a philosophical question requires use of reason.
source(s):
The Elements of Moral Philosophy -James Rachels

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radagast1986 | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

To Commenter #1:
I believe you have missed the point entirely. Let's go in order from top to bottom:
The people who get sick and infect others by means of STDs need help. But they don't need to get that help from the government. It should not be the forced responsibility of anyone to take care of these illnesses. If you say "well who's gonna take care of them?" I say the person who made stupid/bad/ill decisions. I'm sick and tired of this notion that the government should go and take more and more money from people and use it on the people who screw up.

Women are not penalized for sexual activity in my argument AT ALL. They are also not penalized for getting pregnant AT ALL. They simply don't get funding from the government for such acts.

So, you are incorrect to say that I have a "real gender inequality issue here" because I DON'T advocate allowing other sexually derived conditions to be FUNDED (not TREATED as you misspoke) either. For some reason, you assumed that I am an advocate for that as well, which is simply incorrect.

The rest of your argument is moot for all the reasons I have stated.

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shantyminister | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

Well a lot of people get sick (and infect others) due to sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Many states and communities provide discounted or free health services for this kind of MEDICAL condition/s -- INCLUDING treating men (who may or may not have moral issues with respect to how they behave sexually. Women too.)

So why are pregnant women penalized for sexual activity but men who engage in, say, immoral activity that results in a disease (to another person, which might result in a socially negative lifetime consequence) is NOT penalized?

I mean, such persons are (also) given FREE or discounted medical service in this example.

There is a real gender inequality (civil rights and basic fairness) issue here: you are advocating not treating pregnancy [health] issues, but allowing other sexually derived conditions [STDs] to be treated.

Since only women physically get pregnant, you are implying preferential treatment (denial of service) to one gender (for their sexual choices) and not holding the same standards to the other sex.

Expecting people to be perfect (behavior wise) is not a realistic governing principle (especially when it comes to sexuality.)

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angieh | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Personally, I don't think that anyone has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. Allowing abortions to be legal does not make them mandatory, but removing that choice, for a woman to have one if she feels that is the best decision, in my opinion is wrong. Thus, I don't think either the federal government or the state governments should be able to limit that choice.

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cochese | 3 years, 3 months ago
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I think there might be a problem with the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment on that. Since the Federal government would have already taken a stand on the issue allowing it, states would not be allowed to ban it.

The 10th Amendment saying that it leaves to the states things the Federal government has no stake in might also be another sticking point.

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matblackexa | 3 years, 3 months ago
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I believe so. If a family can't survive with a kid on another kid then they shouldn't have to. more of a strain on the government. The money should be put in to education and even free contraception. The last thing a child need is to be born in to a family that doesn't want it and it will have to have a sad life.

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morriss003 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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I am of two minds on this question. A part of me wants to say "Yes, let each individual state decide." We all know that cheesehead dave is right. If abortion was illegal in one state almost any woman wanting an abortion could go to another state. It's tempting to use this for a lot of controversial social problems, like gun control or the death penalty. But another part of me, the part of me that reads history books like some people use their cell phone, remembers how fleeting most systems of government have been in the world. Many Americans take it for granted that the United States is and always will be. I don't. I certainly hope that our country lasts for a thousand years but I doubt it. But I think we will last a lot longer if we bite the bullet of civilization, and make these decisions together as one people, and live with the results of our decisions.

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hartwell | 3 years, 3 months ago
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practically everything that the federal government does should be left to the states and the people.

10th Amendment, anyone?
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am10

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