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 M¢25  Funded By Mahalo ? |  November 04, 2009 03:56 PM

What is the self-inclusion paradox?

What does Langan mean when he says, "The real universe is a dynamic process resolving the self-inclusion paradox"?
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November 04, 2009 05:04 PM
No, he's asking about a crackpot autodidact that failed in his mission to teach himself anything. The so called inclusion paradox is a bunch of word play using naive set theory.

Bertrand Russel showed over hundred years ago that using naive set theory causes self referential paradoxes within mathematics and thus it was scrapped. Langan "thinks" he fixed the broken theory by allowing the universe to include itself as its own power set.

It's a bunch of word play that makes a broken theory more broken.

The following is a link to Mark Chu-Carroll's blog "Good Math, Bad Math".

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/02/two_for_one_crackpot_physics_a.php

He goes through excruciating detail on why he refers to Langan's nonsense as "Two for One: Crackpot Physics and Crackpot Set Theory".
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November 04, 2009 05:23 PM
Langan says, "Mathematicians view set theory as fundamental. An object or structured set may have a relation, a space, or algebraic system. All sets have a powerset that contains it. In Cognitive Theortic Model of the Universe (CTMU), the set of all sets is named “Self-configuring Self-Processing Language). The language is comprehensive and coherent, self-descriptive, and modeled as its own universe or reference domain."

The real universe is contained in a powerset according to Langan.

Will you explain the Paradox from Langan's perspective?

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November 04, 2009 06:25 PM
Will you explain the Paradox from Langan's perspective?

No.

You asked this question in the Science & Mathematics category. Langan has no scientific or mathematic credentials. Since there doesn't seem to be a philosophy category, which is where his work belongs, might I suggest you post it under Society & Culture, or perhaps Humor.

As a Mathematician, I can agree that set theory is fundamental, however Langan is playing word games. In mathematics, Set theoretic discussions are taken within the context of a universal set. That is, you talk about the sets within that universal set and do not talk about the sets not within that universal set. Thus whatever you choose as your universal set of discussion, it makes no sense to talk about the power set of that chosen set. Once you do that, you are simply using naive set theory again and you entertain all the paradoxes naive set theory has to offer.

If Langan knew anything about mathematics, he would capitalize on this vernacular and discuss the universe as a universal set. Once again, screwing up a concept that has a precise mathematical definition that he likely does not understand.

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November 04, 2009 09:40 PM
How many months do you think it would take for Langan to become the smartest living mathematician alive given a wide range of math resources at his command?

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November 06, 2009 04:50 AM
What does your statement, "the universe to include itself as its own power set" mean?

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November 06, 2009 05:06 AM
Langan wrote:

"But every set, even the largest one, has a powerset which contains it, and that which contains it must be larger (a contradiction). The obvious solution: define an extension of set theory incorporating two senses of "containment" which work together in such a way that the largest set can be defined as "containing" its powerset in one sense while being contained by its powerset in the other."

Langan's "obvious" solution is actually counter intuitive. It is more obvious, in my opinion, to not have a largest set. That is, one should be able to take power sets forever, but this doesn't cure the problems of naive set theory and is not how mathematicians removed the contradictions from the theory.

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November 06, 2009 03:11 PM
Logically the superset would include the universe itself than self resolve the paradox. Is the Universe intelligent? Is the Universe the sum of the cognitive parts because cognition and thought projects reality? What is the final purpose of the Universe and how does that purpose relate to man?

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November 06, 2009 07:35 PM
"Logically the superset would include the universe itself than self resolve the paradox."

How? Logic is a process. If you want to claim some kind of magical self resolution you need to show how this will be done.

"Is the Universe intelligent? Is the Universe the sum of the cognitive parts because cognition and thought projects reality? What is the final purpose of the Universe and how does that purpose relate to man?"

Our cognition interprets reality. It does not create it. If humans were not here to interpret what we see, it does not mean our universe would cease to exist. As in the old saying about a tree falling in the forest. If no one is there to hear it, then sure one can argue that the tree makes no sound, but there is still a tree in the forest.

As for the universe having a final purpose relating to man: This notion is simply the cognitive hubris of mankind. The universe does not require the existence of mankind. Man requires the existence of the universe. SImilarly, the Earth does not require man to keep doing what the Earth does, man needs the Earth to keep doing what the Earth does.

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November 07, 2009 06:06 AM
Man discovers fire and learns how to create fire. Fire is a cognitive perception, at first. The abstraction of fire is translated into engines and machines. The abstraction is leveraged to transform a vast variety of physical reality. Cognitive perception affects what we call reality.

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November 04, 2009 04:36 PM
It's a book "The Inclusion Paradox: The Obama Era and the Transformation of Global Diversity," authored by Andres Tapia.

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"There is no question that the 21st century workforce looks different than it ever has. In his new book, "The Inclusion Paradox: The Obama Era and the Transformation of Global Diversity," author Andres Tapia makes the argument that diversity doesn't guarantee inclusion, and that employers must also adjust to a global workforce that thinks as differently as it look."

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