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M$5 August 10, 2009 01:56 PM

Astrology and scientific studies? open thread

What scientific studies could also support astrology or horoscopes based on year,birthday,hour and minutes?
What other studies could support the hypothesis of important influence of celestial corps on humans mind.. Behavior.. Emotions.. Body..

some cues a better answer:
our body contains about 50%-70% of water..
Alain's Aspect experiment of 1982 seems to be the demonstration of deep and instant connection between all the atoms...
Also David Bohm demonstrated that the universe has some characteristics of the holograms....
Ancient Culture sustained the existence of an vital energy called Qi .. Chi .. that is present in anything... there are also scientific experiments that confirm this.. can you find them?

some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_paradigm
http://rudolfhsmit.nl/index.html
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August 13, 2009 05:08 PM
There are no scientific theories that give a lot of reason to believe in astrology per se. What has been demonstrated though is that the time of year a person in born may have some influence on their life.

However that has nothing to do with the position of celestial bodies at the time of their birth, more to do with things like how physically developed compared to their classmates at school. For example, people born in Jan-March are more likely to make it to the elite level in sports...

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"Those born earlier in the year often have age mistaken for talent and get access to more elite opportunities," said University of Windsor associate professor in kinesiology Sean Horton, who is part of an international study group examining the subject.

"The younger players in the group aren't as physically developed and miss out on those opportunities and often never get them. They fall further behind each year without the same access to better coaching, more ice time, etc." he said.

"There's nothing magical about the month of January. That's just the cutoff date for registration in hockey. In European soccer, they moved the cutoff date from January 1 to August 1 and within two years they found kids born in August, September and October became the group over-represented at the elite level."

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http://www.uwindsor.ca/early-birds-get-goals

As for Alain Aspect... quantum theory is a very hard subject to understand properly, and it is easy to use vaguely understood findings from it to support almost anything anyone wants to believe.

http://calitreview.com/51

Quantum theory does not support astrology in any way...

- The results of "quantum entanglement" are still random. It's as if we had established that there are certain scenarios in which a pair of dice would always roll the same number, even if you took one of the dice to the other side of the universe and then rolled both dice.

- These small random effects can have no overall effect on your life. It's like saying that if the first time you rolled a pair of dice in your life you rolled an eight, you will become orderly and methodical. "Random" does not work like that, and "small effect" does not work like that.

- There is no reason why quantum entanglement is affected by the position of solar system bodies at the time of your birth. Firstly there's no reason to be entangled with particles in the solar system, the whole universe is your oyster. Second, the nature of quantum entanglement means that as we said where the entangled particles are is iirrelevant. They will always be correlated wherever they are. That is the very point of the Alain Aspect experiments.

Quantum theory is an important subject for our understanding of the universe, and its findings are very strange. However they are all too often used by people that have not the slightest understanding of the science to make whatever they'd like to believe sound plausible.

Statments like "our bodies are 70% made of water" might as well be followed up with "so our life direction is determined by the number of sardines in the ocean at the time our our birth". You're as likely to be quantum-entangled with a sardine as with Neptune.


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August 15, 2009 09:05 AM
hi philipy,

....you compare sardines with planets...
wo wo... I don't know if you're kidding.. because you know planets have a certain mass and make a big spacetime curvature ....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation...

then the statements like "our bodies are 70% made of water" could be understand if you think that moon influences the water a lot...

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August 16, 2009 03:52 PM
I know all about the masss of planets. I also know that sardines are a lot closer. :)

If you're interested in masses, the sun has pretty much all the mass in the solar system, everything else is pretty incidental. The sun has more than 1,000 times the mass of Jupiter which is the biggest planet.

http://www38.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sun+jupiter+mass

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August 16, 2009 05:32 PM
and yes about the Alain Aspect... what I think is that we have to study better the nature of the connection... we know is an instant-connection between more particles... the question is : are ALL the particles of the universe connected instantly...directly? or are them connected indirectly?

another thing...
we know also in mathematics are used
axioms and postulates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom
and theorems... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorem
http://www.bookrags.com/research/postulates-theorems-and-proofs-mmat-03/
and also in science there are more types of proofs...

ok knowing this,as I said, we can SUPPOSE that Astrology is a clear fact, statistically demonstrated... how can we explain it from this point of view?what hypothesis could you give me?

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