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Absolutely yes.
I've worked in the nuclear industry, I know what's done to safeguard it, and compared to the economic damage possible from climate change, the risks are trivial.
Even if you had a few more Chernobyls and Three Mile Islands, the damage they'd do would be a fraction of a percent compared to the damage of enough CO2 from fossil fuel combustion getting into the atmosphere to push the greenhouse effect high enough to break the 2-degrees celcius barrier required for the warming to break away into a viscious feedback cycle of heating, caused by melted polar caps changing the reflective colour of snow-and-ice to the absorbtive colour of blue water, leading to the tundras melting into the swamps they are, enabling them to bubble off the millions of tonnes of swamp gas, aka methane (14 times more retentive of infra-red than CO2) currently trapped there and adding itself to the mix of atmospheric greenhouse gasses, and with that... the world enters a new ecological era.
Currently, because of habitat devastation by humans, extinction rates are being compared to those at the end of the Cenozoic era, but if global warming breaks into a positive feedback cycle, they're going to be comparing it to the Permian Extinction.
But power generation from nuclear fission doesn't produce CO2 as a byproduct, nor does it release CO2 into the atmosphere.
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As fas as waste disposal goes, if there was a financial gain involved, someone will find a the answer. That is the benefit of our free market system.
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Yes, nuclear energy is a great short-term source of energy (for all the reasons the op and others list), but, ultimately, it is still a non-renewable finite resource that, even though you can reuse some "spent" fuel, is still... non-renewable and finite! We will eventually run out, so it's not a permanent, long-term solution. I think it is also fair to add in the cost (in dollars, environmental damage and human life) of mining uranium.
On the other hand, I think it's also fair to add in the cost (in dollars, environmental damage and human life) of mining coal, so I guess I'd still say "yes" to interim use of nuclear energy over fossil fuels and a definitely "yes" to continued use of nuclear energy as one piece of the larger energy policy equation, which, of course, also includes thing like conservation and efficiency. Long-term, it's not workable, but as a part of the larger picture, nuclear energy is definitely important.
Too bad half of the "energy policy" debate in the USA involves one side idiotically chanting "No nuclear energy!" and the other side even more idiotically chanting "Dig, baby, dig!" or we might have something here!
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"nuclear battery" concepts are very interesting. Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S
as an example.
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Are you optimistic about Nuclear energy?
I just read the below in a question about green technology.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html
This article points to the great things about nuclear and talk about how clean it is. They had this to say about waste.
" . . . For one thing, in coming decades we might devise better disposal methods, such as corrosion-proof containers that can withstand millennia of heat and moisture." Cool!
"For another, used nuclear fuel can be recycled as a source for the production of more energy." Even Cooler!
"Either way, it's clear that the whole waste disposal problem has been misconstrued. . . " Yeah! Wait no . . .
This is where they loose me . . . they want to bet that one day someone might build super containers, or methods to recycle radioactive waste. Until one of the two methods described above is actually invented we are left with large amounts of dangerous material that will stay dangerous for a very long time.
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It is cleaner then some methods of generating power, and it does generate LOTS of power quickly.
Are the benefits enough to outway the risks in your opinion?
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html
This article points to the great things about nuclear and talk about how clean it is. They had this to say about waste.
" . . . For one thing, in coming decades we might devise better disposal methods, such as corrosion-proof containers that can withstand millennia of heat and moisture." Cool!
"For another, used nuclear fuel can be recycled as a source for the production of more energy." Even Cooler!
"Either way, it's clear that the whole waste disposal problem has been misconstrued. . . " Yeah! Wait no . . .
This is where they loose me . . . they want to bet that one day someone might build super containers, or methods to recycle radioactive waste. Until one of the two methods described above is actually invented we are left with large amounts of dangerous material that will stay dangerous for a very long time.
BUT
It is cleaner then some methods of generating power, and it does generate LOTS of power quickly.
Are the benefits enough to outway the risks in your opinion?
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| September 04, 2009 11:19 PM |
I've worked in the nuclear industry, I know what's done to safeguard it, and compared to the economic damage possible from climate change, the risks are trivial.
Even if you had a few more Chernobyls and Three Mile Islands, the damage they'd do would be a fraction of a percent compared to the damage of enough CO2 from fossil fuel combustion getting into the atmosphere to push the greenhouse effect high enough to break the 2-degrees celcius barrier required for the warming to break away into a viscious feedback cycle of heating, caused by melted polar caps changing the reflective colour of snow-and-ice to the absorbtive colour of blue water, leading to the tundras melting into the swamps they are, enabling them to bubble off the millions of tonnes of swamp gas, aka methane (14 times more retentive of infra-red than CO2) currently trapped there and adding itself to the mix of atmospheric greenhouse gasses, and with that... the world enters a new ecological era.
Currently, because of habitat devastation by humans, extinction rates are being compared to those at the end of the Cenozoic era, but if global warming breaks into a positive feedback cycle, they're going to be comparing it to the Permian Extinction.
But power generation from nuclear fission doesn't produce CO2 as a byproduct, nor does it release CO2 into the atmosphere.
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September 04, 2009 10:56 PM
I feel that they benefits do outweigh the risks. The value of nuclear generationg plants is obvious enough that even the French use it as their main source of electricity. As fas as waste disposal goes, if there was a financial gain involved, someone will find a the answer. That is the benefit of our free market system.
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Voted as best: romeo0830
September 05, 2009 05:39 PM
Great analysis in your question (I love narrowly focused, intelligent questions), but I think you only touch on half the problem. Yes, nuclear energy is a great short-term source of energy (for all the reasons the op and others list), but, ultimately, it is still a non-renewable finite resource that, even though you can reuse some "spent" fuel, is still... non-renewable and finite! We will eventually run out, so it's not a permanent, long-term solution. I think it is also fair to add in the cost (in dollars, environmental damage and human life) of mining uranium.
On the other hand, I think it's also fair to add in the cost (in dollars, environmental damage and human life) of mining coal, so I guess I'd still say "yes" to interim use of nuclear energy over fossil fuels and a definitely "yes" to continued use of nuclear energy as one piece of the larger energy policy equation, which, of course, also includes thing like conservation and efficiency. Long-term, it's not workable, but as a part of the larger picture, nuclear energy is definitely important.
Too bad half of the "energy policy" debate in the USA involves one side idiotically chanting "No nuclear energy!" and the other side even more idiotically chanting "Dig, baby, dig!" or we might have something here!
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Voted as best: psionandy
September 06, 2009 03:40 PM
Very true. I think if you do real risk analysis on it, you also find that the real damage/death that coal currently causes (including people simply dying earlier from breathing the pollution) is far greater than even worst-case scenario nuclear. Not to say that fear of nuclear energy is entirely irrational and the Chernobyl incident is probably the scariest industrial accident ever to occur on the planet. It gives me creeps just thinking about the footage we saw with the helicopter pilots running in load after load of concrete in to the core, knowing for certain they were going to die from radiation in the most gruesome and painful way possible in a few days. I guess the best we can say is that nuclear isn't any worse than coal as far as death and danger is concerned, which isn't really saying much I suppose!
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September 06, 2009 11:43 PM
I think nuclear power has gotten a bad wrap. It will be a key resource as our other option become scarcer. Beyond the large power-plant models, I think the "nuclear battery" concepts are very interesting. Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S
as an example.
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September 07, 2009 01:01 AM
Indeed. It's just that we can make a human decision and do it now, and hope to save the climate from a runaway greenhouse effect from too much CO2 in the atmosphere, or we can wait for the "invisible hand" of the marketplace to force it after we've burned up all the fossil fuels, but at that point we'll probably have cranked so much CO2 from burning the last of the fossil fuels that it will have set off a runaway greenhouse effect, making global warming irreversable.
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That would be the window. Upon conversion to nuclear, people would have to be told, "Okay, the uranium and thorium are going to last this long, at which point we *have* to be totally solar, wind and water, so get to it, because that's how long we've got.
I mean, look at what France did. They made a hard decision one day and set a strict limit on how much they would spend on fossil fuel, so they bought a so-so design from Westinghouse, and set to building the things.
At its peak, they were lighting up a new planet every six weeks, and they were training the guys to operate the things as fast as they were being built, but they did it, and now they're one of those few industrial nation's that's just not fretting about issues around fossil fuel consumption, plus they get to snub their noses with French arrogance at those struggling with CO2 emisions.
I mean, I'm not crazy about the design. Using liquid sodium as the nutron moderator kinda gives me the creeps, but hey, it works, and they haven't had any accidents. If North America, with all it's uranium reserves and better designs put its mind to it, the same could be achieved in just as little time, if not less, with lots of jobs for contruction and straitforward retraining of plant operators from coal to fission... it's silly not to.
I remember reading once that if the whole planet were to somehow convert to fission power generation tomorrow, then there'd be enough proven uranium reserves to keep everthing going world-wide pole-to-pole for about 30 years, so that's the minimal amount of time there would be (and I don't remember it including thorium, so it should be longer).
That stops all non-transportation CO2 generation right there, and it buys a few decades to do a wholescale restructureing to a solar, wind, and water energy economy.
It's *not* that huge of an overhaul compared to some of the other mega socioeconomic restructuring humankind have done before. It just takes a few good leaders, some *real* good managers, and a lot of collective will.
Good leaders can be found. Truly good managers can be found. All we gotta work on is the collective will.