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Was Rebecca Shaw the pilot of Flight 3407?

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cyber34 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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No, Rebecca Shaw was the First Officer of Flight 3407, Captain Marvin Renslow was the pilot of the flight in question.

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av8rlex | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

They are both fully qualified pilots of the aircraft. This type of plane requires two pilots rated in the plane.

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smurphy | 3 years ago Report

Actually they are both pilots. Rebecca Shaw was the first officer and Marvin Renslow was the captain.

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trnsprt | 3 years, 3 months ago
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jimmyhisself; I don't think you are on track here. The co-pilot was talking to Air Traffic Control on the radio. She was most likely the non flying pilot unless Colgan Air does something different than the rest of the industry.
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jimmyhisself | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

Thanks for the correction trnsprt, you are right. I hadn't heard the voice recordings yet and didn't realize she was on the radio, which would put the Captain already on the controls.

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19892108 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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trnsprt is correct. Many people don't realize that there is little difference between the captain and first officer with the exception that the captain is the final authority on decisions made pertaining to the safety of the flight. Often times we will fly legs (i.e. trip segments). For example, the captain may fly the flight from Los Angeles to New York, while the first officer will fly the return leg New York to Los Angeles. This is known as pilot flying and pilot not flying. The pilot flying can be the captain or first officer and generally will fly the airplane and operate the autopilot. The pilot not flying will take the radios and all other non flying duties. Having knowledge of Colgan procedures I can assume with a fair amount of accuracy that First Officer Rebecca Shaw was pilot not flying and was not flying the accident aircraft. Instead she was on the radios. Hope this helps clear things up a bit.

May peace be with the passengers and crew of this terrible accident.
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rockerr83 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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The crew members were identified as Capt. Marvin Renslow, pilot of the plane; Rebecca Shaw, first officer of the flight; and flight attendants Matilda Quintero and Donna Prisco.

Another employee of the airline, Capt. Joseph Zuffoletto, a Jamestown resident who was off-duty at the time, was also killed.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/577959.html

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chuckk1 | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Sadly, this accident will ultimately point to pilot error. "Failure to obtain/maintain flying speed" is the textbook phrase that identifies probably 80% of all aviation accidents. Regardless of the ice accumulation, this plane fell from the sky due to lack of lift on the wings as a result of not enough forward airspeed to overcome the weight. Had the crew not lowered the gear and flaps and increased power, they would not have stalled the craft. And we do not yet know at what point the crew elected to turn on the de-icing equipment. The accident 'footprint' indicates that this plane came almost straight down with very little forward motion, probably in a flat spin from which recovery would be almost impossible at any altitude.
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jimmyhisself | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Typical procedure is for the 2nd in command (in this case Rebecca Shaw) to have the controls during any flying off of auto-pilot, such as approaches and departures. Exceptions might be if they were having difficulty, but this particular incident happened so quickly that she was most likely at the controls when the emergency began, and the captain probably took over during the pitch and yaw oscillations before impact that have been reported by the NTSB. When and if they release the cockpit voice recordings listen for him to say 'I've got it' or words to that effect. That would confirm it.
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amyhoover | 3 years ago Report

you are wrong - the PF (pilot flying) was the captain. The PNF (pilot not flying) was the FO (Shaw) and was running communications. That is the way it is most typically done - you are 100% backwards in your description

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positiverate | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

Jimmyhisse-you obviously are not qualified to state anything related to commercial airline ops.. please keep your erroneous comments at the thought level, that way only you will know you're wrong. I'm sick of every idiot who has watched an airplane fly over becoming an aviation expert and spouting absolute garbage.

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jasoncalacanis | 3 years, 3 months ago Report

@positiverate Please keep your tone friendly and supportive. The community here at Mahalo is supportive and nurturing. I can understand your frustration with bad information on the internet, but there is no need to flame @jimmyhisself. you can get your point across without the aggressiveness or calling someone an idiot.

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gliderpilot | 3 years, 3 months ago
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In the airline industry one pilot is the flying pilot while the other operates the radios. The pilots swap duties with each leg they take, so every other flight the copilot flies the plane while the Captian operates the radios and navigates. This allows for a safer envoronment under high work loads. In this case Rabecca's voice is on the ATC tapes thus she was not the flying pilot.
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demanda | 3 years, 3 months ago
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She was one of the pilots. Ms. Shaw was the First Officer, also known as the co-pilot, of this flight.

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karj | 3 years, 3 months ago
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rebecca shaw is the first officer of the flight 3407
source:http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6261565.html

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adamchernow | 3 years, 3 months ago
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Flight 3407? I've been in a news black hole since I left work last night. (I work in news, so I tend to avoid it on off-hours.)

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