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No, the claim is incorrect. The President has consistently taken the high road while the Republicans have made attacks based on complete fabrications.
With regard to the specific charge that Wilson made about illegal immigrants getting health care (which is a typically greed themed issue of the Republicans) the proposed law specifically prohibits it. The Republican claim that illegal immigrants would break the law seeking health care does not justify calling the actual wording of the law a lie. Take the example of traffic speed laws. If a politician proposes a that the speed limit be 70, can opponent call him a liar for saying that this will limit people to driving 70 mph or below? No. That's the intent of the law and that's what it should do. If people break the law, the government must try to catch them and enforce it; but, that is not the basic concern of the speed limit law. That's up to the police. We need health insurance laws just like we need traffic laws. Once we get them we need to enforce them. But no one is lying by stating their purpose and wording.
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Does the Republicans' claim that Obama "threw the first punch" and prompted Rep. Wilson to yell "you lie" convince you?
Rep. King (R-IA) says that the President started it ("threw the first punch"). Rep. Gohmert (R-TX) says Obama was rude to call a lie a lie when "invited into somebody else's house". However, it doesn't convince me, because...
1) Obama was correct in pointing out that the "death panel" claims and the "fund illegal immigrants" claims were false.
2) King tries to make it appear that Obama said that "prominent politicians" were lying about the "illegal immigrants" issue. However, that phrase was used in regard to the "death panel" bs (e.g. Palin, Grassley), and not the "illegals" bs. His attempted justification seems pretty false to me. (Lie upon lie will USUALLY get you into bigger trouble.)
1) Obama was correct in pointing out that the "death panel" claims and the "fund illegal immigrants" claims were false.
2) King tries to make it appear that Obama said that "prominent politicians" were lying about the "illegal immigrants" issue. However, that phrase was used in regard to the "death panel" bs (e.g. Palin, Grassley), and not the "illegals" bs. His attempted justification seems pretty false to me. (Lie upon lie will USUALLY get you into bigger trouble.)
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| September 17, 2009 12:19 AM |
With regard to the specific charge that Wilson made about illegal immigrants getting health care (which is a typically greed themed issue of the Republicans) the proposed law specifically prohibits it. The Republican claim that illegal immigrants would break the law seeking health care does not justify calling the actual wording of the law a lie. Take the example of traffic speed laws. If a politician proposes a that the speed limit be 70, can opponent call him a liar for saying that this will limit people to driving 70 mph or below? No. That's the intent of the law and that's what it should do. If people break the law, the government must try to catch them and enforce it; but, that is not the basic concern of the speed limit law. That's up to the police. We need health insurance laws just like we need traffic laws. Once we get them we need to enforce them. But no one is lying by stating their purpose and wording.
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• I liked all the answers here, but your speed limit analogy clinched it for me. Thanks, all. --mm
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September 17, 2009 12:48 PM
Thanks, albanian. I like that analogy.
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September 16, 2009 11:11 PM
the republicans/conservatives are bully's, they will use refer to Democrats as leftwing loons and then accuse them of being partisan, whatever a Democrat proposes a republican opposes and no it is not always the same, Rep King has defended Bigots like Joe Wilson, and yes he is a Bigot just look at his history, it would be one thing to have a legitimate policy debate but when you call a civil right group retards, when you fly the confederate flag even though you know what it represents to a large segment of our population, not to mention it is seditious and then lie about it, do some research on Steve King R-Iowa this guy is a fierce partisan, when a congressman says they will being dancing in the streets and that the terrorists have won because of President Obama's election there really is nothing more to discuss with him.
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September 17, 2009 12:56 PM
defolts, thanks for that answer. Also, the links: I hadn't really paid much attention to King's "fierce partisanship" - gives context to your bullying remark.
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