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First, "pit bulls" aren't so much a single breed, but several breeds of dog. Which ones would you have be "extinct" - the Staffordshire, American Staffordshire, American Pit Bull, or simply mixes that look like Pitt Bulls?
Second - aside from hate, what makes them worthy of extinction? Historically, they've been great companions and working dogs. They're clever and hard-working. They also very much want to please their companions, and are very easy to train.
Their companions, however, may train them to do things based on macho and ignorance. Or they may neglect the dog, leaving it to figure out what it "supposed" to do. It may be locked up in a yard, where it may decide or be encouraged to protect that yard. In short, the breed and the dog take the fall for inattentive or worthless owners.
So no, I don't advocate for the eradication of Pitbulls if that's even possible. As popular as they are, their genes are pretty widely spread. It's kind of like trying to eradicate Palomino horses or green parakeets - futile. Controlling the behavior of the owners might be a more practical solution.
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Pit Bulls aren't really a species. They're a breed of dog. And as such there are an awful lot of dogs out there that have some pitbull in their genetic make up.
Assuming that support was given for the plan, and assuming that everyone agreed with it, and there were no objections from PETA, RSPCA, Crufts, ACLU, constitutional lawyers and dog owners, how do you define when a pit bull ends?
100% pure Pittbul... 90%...... 50%, Mutt/Pittbul cross bread. Toy poodle who's great grandmother had a fling with Pittbul cross?
Would we require a mass genetic testing program for every dog in America?, the world?
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Now, let's go into the fact that pitbulls are generally bought by those wanting to look tough or those who have "something to protect." Most drug dealers own pitbulls to prevent people who know they deal drugs from breaking into their home to steal the drugs. It's this kind of consume who buys and trains the pitbulls that gives the pitbull breed a bad name. Essentially, it's people who make pitbulls the way they are.
All the pitbulls I have encountered who have had loving homes are as gentle as border collies. If you want to regulate the sale or make a particular training program for the dog mandatory in order to own a pitbull, that would be fine, but killing off a breed or species of ANY animal is complete and total ignorance.
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Owners of ANY dog have the responsibility to train and manage their pets behavior and should be help responsible for the dogs behavior.
What you are calling for is unacceptable in any context.
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As far as taking one breed of animal (in this case a dog breed) and condemning it to death - I do not agree.
We are stewards of our canine pets, if an animal has bad behavior or has not been socialized properly then it is the human owner's responsibility. Some individual animals can become aggressive if not well socialized as young animals with humans and other animals - but this can be any breed of dog or any pet for that matter.
According to ATTS breed statistics the 'pit bull' in fact has a temperament that can be gentler than a labrador. Any breed can be made into a fighter and an aggressive animal, this breed has been exploited because of physical traits and certainly many individual animals have paid dearly in the form of poor living conditions and pain and suffering and many have died for the 'sport' of it all.
I leave you with this quote from the last line of this linked article (should you care to read it in depth) about fatal dog bite statistics...
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...it is at least a hundred thousand times more likely that a “Pit Bull” will be killed by a HUMAN, than the other way around.
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best to you.
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Breed Temperament: http://www.atts.org/index.html
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Domestic breeds are not species nor are they natural. Man bred them and man can stop breeding them.
The various fighting dog breeds are animals whose time is long past. Although any dog can attack or even kill, the odds are of completely different magnitudes. The fighting breeds can and do kill many people, innocent pets, and wild animals every year and maul far more. These killings and maulings are utterly unnecessary. There is no need for them to happen. People can have fine pet dogs from a wide variety of breeds that have been bred for working with animals, companionship for people, and other nonviolent purposes. No one can rationally claim that they need a pit bull for a pet and not, say a golden retriever or a dog from scores of other fine breeds.
Please consider some of the percentages from this study, and the author's comment:
"According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:
If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price."
A different study notes that while many breeds of dogs may bite, the odds of serious injury are completely different:
"rom 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds."
Dog breeders are mostly licensed, they all should be. And they should be prohibited from breeding fighting dog breeds. All such dogs currently alive should be spayed or neutered.
Other countries have already banned pit bulls. They are illegal in : Belgium, Brazil , Canada, Denmark , Finland, France, Germany, Holland, Norway, New Zealand, Poland, and Sweden. The USA should follow suit.
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http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf
http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/Dogbitestatisticshome.html
http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html
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Now, I'm not going to sit here and argue that these dogs are ALL completely safe and trustworthy around other dogs and people.
Christian Fun Fair has a view on attacks that these dogs have done, and probably feel the same way you do about these dogs.
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
But what I don't understand is that any dog can be categorized as 'vicious' and 'a biter' and easily be euthanized.
What you have to understand is that these animals are the result of our environment. We created them.
If you think these dogs should be eradicated, then we as humans have failed miserably.
I personally have seen good and bad in every breed of dog, and the bad is usually the direct result of a human.
Let's say your wish came true and all Pit Bulls were extinct.
What would the dog fighting population do? They would find another type of dog to train and breed into a fighting machine. This new breed would become the scourge of the dog world.
So you see... your idea is flawed in that something else will come along.
http://dogobedienceadvice.com/which_dog_breeds_are_most_aggressive.php
What we need to do is punish the people that 'create' these dogs through abuse and neglect.
We need to abolish dog fighting, or make the fines much higher.
We need to breed the aggression out of these dogs, just like we bred it in.
http://www.realpitbull.com/history.html
I don't think your proposition would solve the problem as a whole.
Humans have made many mistakes when breeding animals and introducing them into new environments.
The best route is to learn from our mistakes, and through careful planning, create an even better environment for ourselves and animals.
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That will make a huge difference.
i heard stories of these dogs being nice house pets, when they put a ban for pitbulls in Toronto
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Which breed would win?
The pitpulls are so much more viscious and big, but there's so *many more* chihuahua and poodles.
Wouldn't it be incredible if they all cancelled out!
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My uncle's dog, Niki, used to play with a bowling ball like it was a beach ball. She never barked, just wagged her stump of a tail. She "guarded" his work shop in what I'd call stealth mode; she was fast asleep.
My dog is part pit bull, and the kids ride her around and the toddlers pull her fur. The most they have ever gotten from her is a lick on the face or head.
You are an ignorant fool. I suggest you go to church.
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My best friend has pitbull and it is the cutest dog ever, never harmed a person or anything. It will lay on the couch right next to you. It truly is the sweetest dog i have ever met. So killing of pitbulls is so harsh it makes me sick.
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I think all pitbulls should be killed off and marked extinct, i hate them and hope they all die, what do you think?
I call for the EXTINCTION of Pitbulls!!
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| September 09, 2009 03:58 PM |
Second - aside from hate, what makes them worthy of extinction? Historically, they've been great companions and working dogs. They're clever and hard-working. They also very much want to please their companions, and are very easy to train.
Their companions, however, may train them to do things based on macho and ignorance. Or they may neglect the dog, leaving it to figure out what it "supposed" to do. It may be locked up in a yard, where it may decide or be encouraged to protect that yard. In short, the breed and the dog take the fall for inattentive or worthless owners.
So no, I don't advocate for the eradication of Pitbulls if that's even possible. As popular as they are, their genes are pretty widely spread. It's kind of like trying to eradicate Palomino horses or green parakeets - futile. Controlling the behavior of the owners might be a more practical solution.
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September 09, 2009 03:22 PM
Whilst I have no great love for the breed, and probably wouldn't be sad to see every last one of them vanish from the face of the earth, there are some obvious problem with your idea. After all we wouldn't want to get rid of all dogs. Pit Bulls aren't really a species. They're a breed of dog. And as such there are an awful lot of dogs out there that have some pitbull in their genetic make up.
Assuming that support was given for the plan, and assuming that everyone agreed with it, and there were no objections from PETA, RSPCA, Crufts, ACLU, constitutional lawyers and dog owners, how do you define when a pit bull ends?
100% pure Pittbul... 90%...... 50%, Mutt/Pittbul cross bread. Toy poodle who's great grandmother had a fling with Pittbul cross?
Would we require a mass genetic testing program for every dog in America?, the world?
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September 09, 2009 04:23 PM
That would not be necessary. Only the prevention of deliberate fighting dog breeding and amateur breeding.
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September 11, 2009 07:54 PM
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Lets assume for a minute that Rottweilers should be banned.... with the help of Dog Magazine lets have a look at the problem..... http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1207/the-dangerous-dogs-act-its-time-for-breed-specific-legislation-to-go-go-now/
This is a 100% pure Pedigree Rottwieler, so he would be banned by the legislation
http://images.dogsblog.com/cropped/618b7f4eee0815eda5933bf26b10cecb.jpg
Now what about this one
http://images.dogsblog.com/shared/73f3c80081f101572ef1b5f79a70c18e.jpg
or this one
http://images.dogsblog.com/cropped/c262e144f6e155c87ed8005a8f8481ad.JPG
or how about this fellow
http://www.dogsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dorisb_juno.jpg
Its incredibly difficult.... Is this a rottie? or something that looks a bit like one...
http://www.dogsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bcdh_barney.jpg
Now you try and come up with a decent description that will let people easily identify what is and isn't a pittbull!!!
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This is a 100% pure Pedigree Rottwieler, so he would be banned by the legislation
Now what about this one
or this one
or how about this fellow
Its incredibly difficult.... Is this a rottie? or something that looks a bit like one...
Now you try and come up with a decent description that will let people easily identify what is and isn't a pittbull!!!
September 12, 2009 03:58 AM
I would let dog experts decide but would want to err on the side of safety. I'm also opposed to letting amateurs breed their dogs but that's a separate issue. It would solve this problem though.
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September 09, 2009 03:27 PM
I think to kill off any of God's creatures is ignorant. Let's not even go into fact, first off, that a pitbull's behavior has much to do with how they are raised. Let's first look at the ignorance of killing off ANY animal. Do we kill off all snakes because they kill a particular amount of people each year? No. Do we kill off wolves or sharks or mountain lions? No. We as human beings need only to learn to adapt to living on this planet with a particular animal. Killing a particular species off is just plain idiotic. Now, let's go into the fact that pitbulls are generally bought by those wanting to look tough or those who have "something to protect." Most drug dealers own pitbulls to prevent people who know they deal drugs from breaking into their home to steal the drugs. It's this kind of consume who buys and trains the pitbulls that gives the pitbull breed a bad name. Essentially, it's people who make pitbulls the way they are.
All the pitbulls I have encountered who have had loving homes are as gentle as border collies. If you want to regulate the sale or make a particular training program for the dog mandatory in order to own a pitbull, that would be fine, but killing off a breed or species of ANY animal is complete and total ignorance.
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September 09, 2009 03:38 PM
The two problems with your answer are that pit bulls are neither an animal species nor a wild animal with its own habitat. They are just a breed of dogs and can only live with humans. They were bred to fight, which is no longer acceptable, and it is entirely reasonable that the breed should be ended.
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September 09, 2009 04:08 PM
@Albanian Pitbulls were never really meant to be used for fighting, they were used for hunting, mainly hogs (hogs are very dangerous when attacked they will kill a full grown man). The dogs lock their jaws on the hunted not allowing it to be able to pull away and attack the dog.
Because they are so great at what they do, people abused them into the situation they are in now.
Dont hate the breed, hate the deed.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/savethepitbull
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Because they are so great at what they do, people abused them into the situation they are in now.
Dont hate the breed, hate the deed.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/savethepitbull
September 09, 2009 04:24 PM
Pit bulls are responsible for a number of killings and maulings out of proportion to their numbers. More importantly, there is simply no reason to continue the breed. They provide no benefit that other breeds would not provide better. There is no cost benefit comparison to be made - there is only cost no benefit. They should no longer exist.
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September 09, 2009 04:53 PM
So are many other animals. So, why don't we kill off all cobras and diamond back rattlers? Not all snakes, just the ones that kill people. Why don't we kill off all mountain lions, tigers, and leopard's? Not all cats, just the ones that kill people. You see my point. By saying you want an entire breed of dog rendered extinct is, in my opinion, playing God and that's never a good thing.
If you want to play God, why not just isolate the gene for aggression, eliminate it, and start a "new and improved" breed in a laboratory? This is not the answer in my opinion, but since you seem to want to play God, I just thought I would throw that out there.
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If you want to play God, why not just isolate the gene for aggression, eliminate it, and start a "new and improved" breed in a laboratory? This is not the answer in my opinion, but since you seem to want to play God, I just thought I would throw that out there.
September 09, 2009 05:13 PM
No I don't see your point at all. You are comparing domestic breeds with wild animals in their own environment. Poisonous snakes and lions and such like should not be kept as pets either.
As far as playing God goes, mankind played God when it created these breeds. Now mankind needs to undo the damage as best it can.
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As far as playing God goes, mankind played God when it created these breeds. Now mankind needs to undo the damage as best it can.
September 09, 2009 05:28 PM
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from the Indianapolis newspaper discussing the problem there:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009302010002
"A special breed
Pit bulls raise specific challenges.
For one, their strong jaws make them capable of horrific damage. More than a dozen people were killed in the United States last year in attacks by pit bulls or pit bull mixes, including a 62-year-old Muncie man.
Judith Anspach, a professor at Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis who teaches a class on animals and the law, doesn't think an all-out ban is the best solution. But she understands why the pit bull gets singled out.
"If you get bitten by a cocker spaniel or a Chihuahua, you're going to have some bite marks," she said, "but you're not normally going to end up in the hospital or be killed. It's just part of their (pit bulls') thing. They tend to maul and to not give up."
Two and a half years ago, Amaya Hess, 4, was walking to a Near-Westside park with her mother when a pit bull clamped his jaws around the side of her face.
The dog had to be pried off the toddler with a hammer. A police officer wrote in his report that half her face was missing."
I have been reading stories like this for decades. The pit bull owners are simply blanking out the heinous events from their minds because their own dog seems fine. But it's not necessary! Love a spaniel or something!
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http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009302010002
"A special breed
Pit bulls raise specific challenges.
For one, their strong jaws make them capable of horrific damage. More than a dozen people were killed in the United States last year in attacks by pit bulls or pit bull mixes, including a 62-year-old Muncie man.
Judith Anspach, a professor at Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis who teaches a class on animals and the law, doesn't think an all-out ban is the best solution. But she understands why the pit bull gets singled out.
"If you get bitten by a cocker spaniel or a Chihuahua, you're going to have some bite marks," she said, "but you're not normally going to end up in the hospital or be killed. It's just part of their (pit bulls') thing. They tend to maul and to not give up."
Two and a half years ago, Amaya Hess, 4, was walking to a Near-Westside park with her mother when a pit bull clamped his jaws around the side of her face.
The dog had to be pried off the toddler with a hammer. A police officer wrote in his report that half her face was missing."
I have been reading stories like this for decades. The pit bull owners are simply blanking out the heinous events from their minds because their own dog seems fine. But it's not necessary! Love a spaniel or something!
September 09, 2009 05:44 PM
@rishiku, even the pro pit bull site http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html
says "A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog."
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says "A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog."
September 09, 2009 06:50 PM
Do you ask that of a lawmaker deciding which cars are safe enough to be legal on the road? Why not let cars with no brakes or insulation or seat belts or air bag drive around and let God sort out the results? I am calling for a law banning the fighting dog breeds, which is well within the legitimate scope of a regular human citizen.
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September 09, 2009 07:00 PM
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...pit bulls are neither an animal species...
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In fact the 'pit bull' dog is an animal species...http://www.indianchild.com/animal_kingdom.htm...
DOG:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mamalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: Lupus
Subspecies: Familiaris
"Breed": American Pit Bull Terrier and likely many others are jumbled in her in the 'pit bull' reference...
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...pit bulls are neither an animal species...
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In fact the 'pit bull' dog is an animal species...http://www.indianchild.com/animal_kingdom.htm...
DOG:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mamalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: Lupus
Subspecies: Familiaris
"Breed": American Pit Bull Terrier and likely many others are jumbled in her in the 'pit bull' reference...
September 09, 2009 07:34 PM
How about instead a ban on training dogs to fight? How about instead make it to where all pitbulls have to be registered as an aggressive breed (since they aren't the only aggressive breed) and have it mandatory they be sent to a specialized obedience school? To me, this is over the edge, but some people are so scared of pits this may be a good answer to put everyone at ease. Also, you could ban pits in residences where small children are present. There are many ways around killing off the breed entirely. Extermination is never the right road to take. Can you imagine if this actually happened? Fifty years from now, there would be books and articles written and videoblogs made about the great, misunderstood, lost pitbull, the breed of dogs humans exterminated. I can see it now. Your grandchildren would never forgive you. Think about how you feel about the dodo bird or the quagga or the Tasmanian tiger. How awesome would it be to see one of those alive and witness the rarity of their existence today? How does it make you feel that you, your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren and so on will never be able to experience these animals? The idea makes me very sad.
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September 09, 2009 10:10 PM
@hillo, pit bulls are animals and they are one little portion of a species but they are not a species. The species is Canis lupus, which is all dogs. I am not talking about all dogs, or even the subspecies familiaris. Pit bulls are only a breed, a much smaller subdivision. You should have known that, as all dogs can and do mate freely if you let them.
@samid, don't confuse animal species with breeds of dog. Several breeds of fighting dogs are extinct already. There is nothing sad about any future relatives of mine being safe from being mauled by pit bulls. Keep your eyes open for stories of maulings and killings in the papers and you will be as horrified as I am that people are still allowed to keep them.
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@samid, don't confuse animal species with breeds of dog. Several breeds of fighting dogs are extinct already. There is nothing sad about any future relatives of mine being safe from being mauled by pit bulls. Keep your eyes open for stories of maulings and killings in the papers and you will be as horrified as I am that people are still allowed to keep them.
September 10, 2009 02:08 AM
albanian, I see no value to your existence, only cost. Does that mean that you, too, should be extinct?
Get a life.
And if you're such a wimp (mahaloking) that you call animal control just because you see a stray dog, you don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation. Grow some. For the record, I see no value to your life you live in fear.
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Get a life.
And if you're such a wimp (mahaloking) that you call animal control just because you see a stray dog, you don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation. Grow some. For the record, I see no value to your life you live in fear.
September 10, 2009 02:15 PM
I'm from the UK, and we had the 'national debate' about dangerous dogs a few years ago, when the Dangerous Dogs act (http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/domestic/dogs.htm) was brought in.
This specifically banned the following the Pit Bull Terrier, the Japanese Tosa, the Dogo Argentino and the Fila Brasileiro. There actually weren't a huge amount of these in the country at the time, and some of these were put down.
There were literally only a couple of dozen Fila Brasileiro in the UK at all.
If there were a huge ammount of a particular breed I don't think it would have passed.
The problems that then became apparent is
a) Families that had devoted, wonderful, well behaved Pit Bulls, that had to be taken away
b) A considerable amount of legal time was taken up with the issue of what is a pit bull, is this one, or is it 80% pitbull, or is it a staffordshire bull cross etc..
The act also had tighter controls for people who keep dogs, and has generally made things better.
If society in the US(and by that I mean "the people" as in "we the people") decide that the breed should be stopped, then there should be an option for neutering, to allow the breed to disappear. Personally I think that the breeds above have a predisposition for aggressive behaviour which is why they are favoured by a certain sector of thugs, but it must be stressed that within the population, there are good and bad (in the same way as there are with people).
Its a difficult situation for everyone, but on balance I think we made the best choice we could in the UK.
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This specifically banned the following the Pit Bull Terrier, the Japanese Tosa, the Dogo Argentino and the Fila Brasileiro. There actually weren't a huge amount of these in the country at the time, and some of these were put down.
There were literally only a couple of dozen Fila Brasileiro in the UK at all.
If there were a huge ammount of a particular breed I don't think it would have passed.
The problems that then became apparent is
a) Families that had devoted, wonderful, well behaved Pit Bulls, that had to be taken away
b) A considerable amount of legal time was taken up with the issue of what is a pit bull, is this one, or is it 80% pitbull, or is it a staffordshire bull cross etc..
The act also had tighter controls for people who keep dogs, and has generally made things better.
If society in the US(and by that I mean "the people" as in "we the people") decide that the breed should be stopped, then there should be an option for neutering, to allow the breed to disappear. Personally I think that the breeds above have a predisposition for aggressive behaviour which is why they are favoured by a certain sector of thugs, but it must be stressed that within the population, there are good and bad (in the same way as there are with people).
Its a difficult situation for everyone, but on balance I think we made the best choice we could in the UK.
September 10, 2009 07:59 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/news/dog-mail-pit-1838722-bull-brutus
It seems that in California during the last 3 weeks two mailmen have been attacked by pit bulls. It is a constant thing. I have observed this for years after a particularly horrendous mauling caught my attention in the news. Once you stop tuning such incidents out because you think all dogs are sweet puppies you will notice these stories in news around the country.
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It seems that in California during the last 3 weeks two mailmen have been attacked by pit bulls. It is a constant thing. I have observed this for years after a particularly horrendous mauling caught my attention in the news. Once you stop tuning such incidents out because you think all dogs are sweet puppies you will notice these stories in news around the country.
September 11, 2009 08:32 PM
albanian, you are getting ridiculous.
i live with reality everyday.
i have friends who aren't coming home from war, not even in a body bag because there is nothing left to bury. i have one friend who suffers from lesions on the brain because of an infection he got in iraq. i stood at attention during a 21 gun salute as my coworker threw her body across her husband's (closed) casket and was led away by her ten and twelve year old children. i have a friend from high school who will never see his children grow up. i lost a husband to the things he witnessed in iraq.
is that not a reality i live with every day?
do you understand that in reality, horrible things happen to people every day, in ways you can't even imagine. right now, basic human rights are being violated in the most horrific ways. that, my friend, is reality. while i do understand your point, i cannot understand how one who is seemingly able to educate himself on the cons of something is refusing to educate himself on the pros as well.
and don't start slandering christians either. your life is obviously unfulfilled. its a battle you will ultimately lose.
if you don't like dogs, fine. i support your right to an opinion. in fact, i took an oath to defend your life and your opinion and your right to speak it. but calling for an extermination of an entire breed, well, that won't work. you get rid of one breed, another will be used in its place. next you will be calling for the extermination of rottweilers, than dobies, than maybe mutts because a sibling of my dog (a mutt) was severely abused and she took the nose off a 13 year olds face. does that mean every dog will do it? does that mean my dog will do it? my dog was highly socialized from the very beginning. she understands the 'pack mentality.' if you aren't sure what that is, watch cesar milan sometime on the natgeo channel. educate yourself to the other side of the picture.
if you read my answer, you know i support education, not ignorance. that being said, i have no further desire to waste my time on this discussion. this is the land of the free, home of the brave. every time i turn around someone is yelling for the government to save them. its time to stand up on your own two feet and save yourself. i can't help but notice that mahaloking doesn't like any dog at all. fine. lock yourself in your house so you can be safe you big baby. if you don't like pitbulls, don't get one. but don't try to tell others what to do. i fought for my freedom and the freedoms of others and that is my reality. what have you done to deserve yours?
and as i said before, i am through with this discussion. this was a hate question to begin with, not a valid question. i don't need to state statistics, i have stated facts. if you want statistics, you are more than capable of looking them up yourself as you sit alone in your house being afraid of your own shadow.
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i live with reality everyday.
i have friends who aren't coming home from war, not even in a body bag because there is nothing left to bury. i have one friend who suffers from lesions on the brain because of an infection he got in iraq. i stood at attention during a 21 gun salute as my coworker threw her body across her husband's (closed) casket and was led away by her ten and twelve year old children. i have a friend from high school who will never see his children grow up. i lost a husband to the things he witnessed in iraq.
is that not a reality i live with every day?
do you understand that in reality, horrible things happen to people every day, in ways you can't even imagine. right now, basic human rights are being violated in the most horrific ways. that, my friend, is reality. while i do understand your point, i cannot understand how one who is seemingly able to educate himself on the cons of something is refusing to educate himself on the pros as well.
and don't start slandering christians either. your life is obviously unfulfilled. its a battle you will ultimately lose.
if you don't like dogs, fine. i support your right to an opinion. in fact, i took an oath to defend your life and your opinion and your right to speak it. but calling for an extermination of an entire breed, well, that won't work. you get rid of one breed, another will be used in its place. next you will be calling for the extermination of rottweilers, than dobies, than maybe mutts because a sibling of my dog (a mutt) was severely abused and she took the nose off a 13 year olds face. does that mean every dog will do it? does that mean my dog will do it? my dog was highly socialized from the very beginning. she understands the 'pack mentality.' if you aren't sure what that is, watch cesar milan sometime on the natgeo channel. educate yourself to the other side of the picture.
if you read my answer, you know i support education, not ignorance. that being said, i have no further desire to waste my time on this discussion. this is the land of the free, home of the brave. every time i turn around someone is yelling for the government to save them. its time to stand up on your own two feet and save yourself. i can't help but notice that mahaloking doesn't like any dog at all. fine. lock yourself in your house so you can be safe you big baby. if you don't like pitbulls, don't get one. but don't try to tell others what to do. i fought for my freedom and the freedoms of others and that is my reality. what have you done to deserve yours?
and as i said before, i am through with this discussion. this was a hate question to begin with, not a valid question. i don't need to state statistics, i have stated facts. if you want statistics, you are more than capable of looking them up yourself as you sit alone in your house being afraid of your own shadow.
September 09, 2009 03:33 PM
I am truly sorry if you or someone you care about have been attacked by or harassed by.. or even worse killed by a Pit Bull but the killing off of an entire breed of canines really makes no sense at all. Owners of ANY dog have the responsibility to train and manage their pets behavior and should be help responsible for the dogs behavior.
What you are calling for is unacceptable in any context.
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September 09, 2009 04:08 PM
I just noticed your avatar.
Up close that is kind of disturbing. It looks like a phone offering counseling for folks about to jump to their deaths from the bridge and it is *out of order*.
That and this previous question asked by you are reasons for concern.
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Up close that is kind of disturbing. It looks like a phone offering counseling for folks about to jump to their deaths from the bridge and it is *out of order*.
That and this previous question asked by you are reasons for concern.
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September 09, 2009 04:46 PM
this question is really disappointing and disturbing. i'm taking a break from here.
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September 09, 2009 04:51 PM
Pit bulls can be banned. A number of countries have already done it.
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September 09, 2009 03:37 PM
I think this is a pretty violent statement. I'm guessing you have a reason for stating something as extreme as this so I'll give you a 'pass' this time. As far as taking one breed of animal (in this case a dog breed) and condemning it to death - I do not agree.
We are stewards of our canine pets, if an animal has bad behavior or has not been socialized properly then it is the human owner's responsibility. Some individual animals can become aggressive if not well socialized as young animals with humans and other animals - but this can be any breed of dog or any pet for that matter.
According to ATTS breed statistics the 'pit bull' in fact has a temperament that can be gentler than a labrador. Any breed can be made into a fighter and an aggressive animal, this breed has been exploited because of physical traits and certainly many individual animals have paid dearly in the form of poor living conditions and pain and suffering and many have died for the 'sport' of it all.
I leave you with this quote from the last line of this linked article (should you care to read it in depth) about fatal dog bite statistics...
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...it is at least a hundred thousand times more likely that a “Pit Bull” will be killed by a HUMAN, than the other way around.
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September 09, 2009 04:33 PM
Countries that have banned pit bulls so far have done so by banning breeding or importing them, it is not necessary to slaughter the current ones they will die of old age soon enough.
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September 09, 2009 03:51 PM
Although I would not call your question well phrased, I agree entirely with its gist. Domestic breeds are not species nor are they natural. Man bred them and man can stop breeding them.
The various fighting dog breeds are animals whose time is long past. Although any dog can attack or even kill, the odds are of completely different magnitudes. The fighting breeds can and do kill many people, innocent pets, and wild animals every year and maul far more. These killings and maulings are utterly unnecessary. There is no need for them to happen. People can have fine pet dogs from a wide variety of breeds that have been bred for working with animals, companionship for people, and other nonviolent purposes. No one can rationally claim that they need a pit bull for a pet and not, say a golden retriever or a dog from scores of other fine breeds.
Please consider some of the percentages from this study, and the author's comment:
"According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:
If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price."
A different study notes that while many breeds of dogs may bite, the odds of serious injury are completely different:
"rom 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds."
Dog breeders are mostly licensed, they all should be. And they should be prohibited from breeding fighting dog breeds. All such dogs currently alive should be spayed or neutered.
Other countries have already banned pit bulls. They are illegal in : Belgium, Brazil , Canada, Denmark , Finland, France, Germany, Holland, Norway, New Zealand, Poland, and Sweden. The USA should follow suit.
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http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf
http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/Dogbitestatisticshome.html
http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html
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September 09, 2009 04:13 PM
If you destroy that breed they will use Akitas next, after that German Shepard's. ANY breed can be trained to kill, or attack. If you don't stop people wanting to fight dogs, then you cant stop them from fighting any dogs.
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September 09, 2009 04:19 PM
Deliberate dog training is a different issue. Fighting dog breeds cause a disproportionate number of deaths and maulings even when intended as genuine pets.
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September 09, 2009 09:28 PM
We could go back and fourth on this one all day, a few more thoughts and I'll end it on my side. Have you had a chance to read any of the continuing stories about the rehabilitation of the dogs that were fighting under the infamous now reinstated pro football player (who's name I won't even grace on this page, he's gotten way too much press time over the crimes).
These are some examples and here is powerful evidence about the nature of dogs (yes pit bulls are dogs) - dogs that were left for dead and treated like machines - dogs that now have responded with remarkable resiliency and strength and are living in peace with humans who respect them. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dogtown/3684/Overview55#tab-vick-dogs-update
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These are some examples and here is powerful evidence about the nature of dogs (yes pit bulls are dogs) - dogs that were left for dead and treated like machines - dogs that now have responded with remarkable resiliency and strength and are living in peace with humans who respect them. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dogtown/3684/Overview55#tab-vick-dogs-update
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September 09, 2009 10:31 PM
@bbrookin, I would be glad to leave the list of fighting dog breeds to experts, what I mean by it is any dog breed that was deliberately bred to fight.
According to a pro-fighting dog site, the list goes like this:
Bull terrier, Toso Inu, Akita Inu, Shar Pei, Ca de Bou, Dogo Argentino, Presa Canario, Alano Espagnol, Fila Brazileiro, Kerry Blue Terrier, Dogue de Bordeaux, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Bulldog, Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Wikipedia lists: * Akita Inu, * Alangu Mastiff, * Alano Español, * American Pit Bull Terrier, * American Staffordshire Terrier, * Argentine Dogo, * Bedlington Terrier, * Blue Paul Terrier (extinct), * Boston Terrier, * Bull and Terrier, * Bull Terrier, * Bully Kutta, * Cordoba Fighting Dog (extinct), * Dogue de Bordeaux, * Dogo Cubano (extinct), * Dogo Sardesco, * English Mastiff, * English White Terrier (extinct), * Fila Brasileiro, * Gull Dong, * Gull Terr, * Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier, * Korea Jindo Dog, * Lottatore Brindisino, * Molossus (extinct), * Old English Bulldog (extinct),
* Perro de Presa Canario (Canary Dog), * Perro de Presa Mallorquin (Ca de Bou), * Shar Pei, * Staffordshire Bull Terrier, * Tosa Inu
I can't personally vouch for any of these breeds being correct. Some must be very rare in the USA. Notice that several are already extinct. Dog breeds come and go. These should go.
I personally also would include Rotweillers and Dobermans but I don't know why they are not showing up on the lists. They do show up on the dangerous dog lists but must be classified differently by dog people.
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According to a pro-fighting dog site, the list goes like this:
Bull terrier, Toso Inu, Akita Inu, Shar Pei, Ca de Bou, Dogo Argentino, Presa Canario, Alano Espagnol, Fila Brazileiro, Kerry Blue Terrier, Dogue de Bordeaux, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Bulldog, Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Wikipedia lists: * Akita Inu, * Alangu Mastiff, * Alano Español, * American Pit Bull Terrier, * American Staffordshire Terrier, * Argentine Dogo, * Bedlington Terrier, * Blue Paul Terrier (extinct), * Boston Terrier, * Bull and Terrier, * Bull Terrier, * Bully Kutta, * Cordoba Fighting Dog (extinct), * Dogue de Bordeaux, * Dogo Cubano (extinct), * Dogo Sardesco, * English Mastiff, * English White Terrier (extinct), * Fila Brasileiro, * Gull Dong, * Gull Terr, * Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier, * Korea Jindo Dog, * Lottatore Brindisino, * Molossus (extinct), * Old English Bulldog (extinct),
* Perro de Presa Canario (Canary Dog), * Perro de Presa Mallorquin (Ca de Bou), * Shar Pei, * Staffordshire Bull Terrier, * Tosa Inu
I can't personally vouch for any of these breeds being correct. Some must be very rare in the USA. Notice that several are already extinct. Dog breeds come and go. These should go.
I personally also would include Rotweillers and Dobermans but I don't know why they are not showing up on the lists. They do show up on the dangerous dog lists but must be classified differently by dog people.
September 10, 2009 06:58 PM
mahaloking and albanian are cowards who use their insecurities to slander animals. in one post, one of them says he calls animal control on any dog. what does that have to do with pitbulls? so he calls if he sees the Lassie collie as well? what does this say about his pansy character? they live in fear.
they are ignorant. albanian believes a life he has no use for, or attaches a value to, deserves to be destroyed. so if I see no value to his life, (which i don't see value in living in ignorance) does that mean i should petition for him to be destroyed? IF i see no value in being catholic, or muslim, or in a baby being born because they cost too much, does that mean they should be destroyed? if one can't answer this question, they need to go to church.
they are also fools. foolish people live in fear of something, whether unfounded or not. they are wasting their lives hating something that could bring great joy and love into their lives. michael vick is playing again. why not punish him? he's only sorry he got caught, not for what he did. one of the vick pitbulls is working with children. another is so frightened of people that she shies away from them. killing off a breed for what they MIGHT do is like killing off boys because they MIGHT rape someone.
lucy was a 12 year old pitbull with arthritis that my toddler could love all over. niki played with a bowling ball and "guarded" my uncle's workshop by following people around and licking them. we used to laugh and say she was just tasting them. one of my own dogs is part pitbull. she protects my kids from the neighbor's chihuahua who runs into our yard growling and showing his teeth. but yet if i bring home a kitten, she will welcome it into the pack, even letting it eat from her bowl. i have three dogs, and all are very well behaved. people are the problem. they should educate themselves instead of saying look at the problem, lets kill it, instead of using their brain and thinking of a solution. easier to kill than teach, which is why a lot of people have abortions. at least pitbulls don't kill their own offspring.
exterminating a breed of dogs for what they might do isn't the answer. any dog, even a cocker spaniel or beagle, can be nasty and attack. more people are bitten by little dogs than mauled by pitbulls. if the little dogs were able, they would maul as well. so do we outlaw all dogs?
as for it being out of character for me, its not. I have served in the military and i'm sick of the stupidity and ignorance that runs rampant in the United States. it starts at home with parents who don't teach their children right from wrong. it continues in the public school system, which teaches no values. had this been a valid question, such as "i am afraid of pitbulls because i was attacked by one. does anyone have a list of pros and cons for or against outlawing the breed" not "i hate pitbulls. they should all be killed" i would have answered with great helpfulness and sympathy. this question was asked to incite hate. my answer was short and to the point because i did not believe the jerk asking dignified an answer.
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they are ignorant. albanian believes a life he has no use for, or attaches a value to, deserves to be destroyed. so if I see no value to his life, (which i don't see value in living in ignorance) does that mean i should petition for him to be destroyed? IF i see no value in being catholic, or muslim, or in a baby being born because they cost too much, does that mean they should be destroyed? if one can't answer this question, they need to go to church.
they are also fools. foolish people live in fear of something, whether unfounded or not. they are wasting their lives hating something that could bring great joy and love into their lives. michael vick is playing again. why not punish him? he's only sorry he got caught, not for what he did. one of the vick pitbulls is working with children. another is so frightened of people that she shies away from them. killing off a breed for what they MIGHT do is like killing off boys because they MIGHT rape someone.
lucy was a 12 year old pitbull with arthritis that my toddler could love all over. niki played with a bowling ball and "guarded" my uncle's workshop by following people around and licking them. we used to laugh and say she was just tasting them. one of my own dogs is part pitbull. she protects my kids from the neighbor's chihuahua who runs into our yard growling and showing his teeth. but yet if i bring home a kitten, she will welcome it into the pack, even letting it eat from her bowl. i have three dogs, and all are very well behaved. people are the problem. they should educate themselves instead of saying look at the problem, lets kill it, instead of using their brain and thinking of a solution. easier to kill than teach, which is why a lot of people have abortions. at least pitbulls don't kill their own offspring.
exterminating a breed of dogs for what they might do isn't the answer. any dog, even a cocker spaniel or beagle, can be nasty and attack. more people are bitten by little dogs than mauled by pitbulls. if the little dogs were able, they would maul as well. so do we outlaw all dogs?
as for it being out of character for me, its not. I have served in the military and i'm sick of the stupidity and ignorance that runs rampant in the United States. it starts at home with parents who don't teach their children right from wrong. it continues in the public school system, which teaches no values. had this been a valid question, such as "i am afraid of pitbulls because i was attacked by one. does anyone have a list of pros and cons for or against outlawing the breed" not "i hate pitbulls. they should all be killed" i would have answered with great helpfulness and sympathy. this question was asked to incite hate. my answer was short and to the point because i did not believe the jerk asking dignified an answer.
September 10, 2009 07:44 PM
You have a lot of nerve accusing me of ignorance while backing your own argument with no sources or statistics, just personal anecdotes. People like you are precisely the reason these dogs are still legal and killing and maiming innocent people annually. You think just because your dog, so far, is a sweet little puppy, that nothing bad will ever happen. You don't read the papers or do research into what the odds are that something terrible will happen someday when it turns on one of your family or a neighbor or passerby. A spaniel might well bite me but its not going to tear my throat out or my face off. Mostly it's children, women or elderly that get killed or mauled but it can happen to men too. Even one of these incidents is one too many because there is no balancing justification for these breeds of dog. It is incredible that so many people can just turn their brains off and blank out the horrific effects of dog maulings.
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September 10, 2009 07:53 PM
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I am sourcing this pit bull attack on a three year old because it took place while we were discussing the issue here (Sept 9). It is far from the worst but that it happened as we spoke should bring home the cost of delay on this issue.
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-fullerton-mauling,0,6071.story
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September 11, 2009 01:36 PM
The attack on the little girl is very sad. I hope that she recovers some day and is able to be soothed by her family, but I imagine she may ever understand why her dog turned on her.
Unfortunately she was left alone as a young toddler outside with a dog that was tied up (not inside as a part of the family/pet) and had just been given its food bowl. Although you may feel that this is entirely the dog's fault, please take a look at this entire environment and the obvious risks that presented here. Why was the dog tied up? In more cases - a dog bite occurs when a dog is restrained/tied up and defensive, than not. Why was she left alone with her dog - even 'mild mannered' dogs should never be left unsupervised with children - this we all know - it is just not fair to the child or dog to expect that they can manage themselves alone - the dog is not a babysitter - the child is not an adult. We will never know exactly what happened.
This was a horrible accident, The child is maimed, the dog is now dead. The owners and parents may be facing some consequences for their own part in this situation, sadly no-one wins.
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Unfortunately she was left alone as a young toddler outside with a dog that was tied up (not inside as a part of the family/pet) and had just been given its food bowl. Although you may feel that this is entirely the dog's fault, please take a look at this entire environment and the obvious risks that presented here. Why was the dog tied up? In more cases - a dog bite occurs when a dog is restrained/tied up and defensive, than not. Why was she left alone with her dog - even 'mild mannered' dogs should never be left unsupervised with children - this we all know - it is just not fair to the child or dog to expect that they can manage themselves alone - the dog is not a babysitter - the child is not an adult. We will never know exactly what happened.
This was a horrible accident, The child is maimed, the dog is now dead. The owners and parents may be facing some consequences for their own part in this situation, sadly no-one wins.
September 11, 2009 02:36 PM
I'm not blaming the dog I'm blaming the country for allowing this type of dog to be bred and sold. There is no winner in an deadly automobile accident either, only tragedy. But that is no reason for the government to allow a manufacturer to make cars with no seat belts, air bags, etc. The laws should do what can be done to promote safety, especially when there is no counterbalancing cost. Google pit bull mauling in news using past month and you get 82 hits. Google cocker spaniel mauling and you get no hits. Do the former for 1890 to 2009 and you get 18,300 hits almost entirely deaths, maimings, and criminal charges. Do the latter for 1890 to 2009 and you get only 650 hits, almost all of which turn out to be cocker spaniels being mauled by other dogs and the rest about spaniels biting.
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September 11, 2009 07:36 PM
@Albanian with all due respect, the "country" did not sell or breed this dog. An individual bought the dog and an individual human bred the dog - either on purpose or by accident. Either way individual people are involved here in this incident and in this overall question.
Do you believe that individual dog owners and or breeders have responsibilities, or is it your opinion (it seems to me it is) that the laws and 'the country' are responsible for the bad and the good. My view is that change starts one person at a time - taking responsibility for their own actions...therefore, in this scenario, if individuals decide that 'bit bulls' are unacceptable then they should each individually NOT purchase or acquire them as pets or protective animals. Governments and 'countries' are not to 'blame' (you state above "I'm blaming the country for allowing this type of dog to be bred and sold"). Yes, Laws can help protect, certainly. Individuals - collectively - can make a true difference. Don't leave it up to 'someone else'
Hmmm, I wonder how much freedom of choice you are willing to give up to the "country" and its "laws"...I wonder...
Over and out.
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Do you believe that individual dog owners and or breeders have responsibilities, or is it your opinion (it seems to me it is) that the laws and 'the country' are responsible for the bad and the good. My view is that change starts one person at a time - taking responsibility for their own actions...therefore, in this scenario, if individuals decide that 'bit bulls' are unacceptable then they should each individually NOT purchase or acquire them as pets or protective animals. Governments and 'countries' are not to 'blame' (you state above "I'm blaming the country for allowing this type of dog to be bred and sold"). Yes, Laws can help protect, certainly. Individuals - collectively - can make a true difference. Don't leave it up to 'someone else'
Hmmm, I wonder how much freedom of choice you are willing to give up to the "country" and its "laws"...I wonder...
Over and out.
September 12, 2009 03:52 AM
Putting the responsibility entirely on the owner would make sense only if the owner was the only one in danger. Neighbors, passing strangers, etc are often the victims. And suing for damages doesn't mean beans if you are dead or maimed.
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September 09, 2009 03:55 PM
My first thought when I read your question was... "Wow, this guy must have had a bad experience with one of these dogs, or someone close to him was hurt." Now, I'm not going to sit here and argue that these dogs are ALL completely safe and trustworthy around other dogs and people.
Christian Fun Fair has a view on attacks that these dogs have done, and probably feel the same way you do about these dogs.
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
But what I don't understand is that any dog can be categorized as 'vicious' and 'a biter' and easily be euthanized.
What you have to understand is that these animals are the result of our environment. We created them.
If you think these dogs should be eradicated, then we as humans have failed miserably.
I personally have seen good and bad in every breed of dog, and the bad is usually the direct result of a human.
Let's say your wish came true and all Pit Bulls were extinct.
What would the dog fighting population do? They would find another type of dog to train and breed into a fighting machine. This new breed would become the scourge of the dog world.
So you see... your idea is flawed in that something else will come along.
http://dogobedienceadvice.com/which_dog_breeds_are_most_aggressive.php
What we need to do is punish the people that 'create' these dogs through abuse and neglect.
We need to abolish dog fighting, or make the fines much higher.
We need to breed the aggression out of these dogs, just like we bred it in.
http://www.realpitbull.com/history.html
I don't think your proposition would solve the problem as a whole.
Humans have made many mistakes when breeding animals and introducing them into new environments.
The best route is to learn from our mistakes, and through careful planning, create an even better environment for ourselves and animals.
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September 09, 2009 04:51 PM
You are thinking of individual dogs, not the breed and not statistics. You might do better to think of individual humans who have been killed or maimed. Fighting dogs could be banned without killing off the current dogs.
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September 09, 2009 06:17 PM
@albanian, the point above is that one certain breed that is now a fighting breed - if 'banned' will only be replaced at some time in the future by another breed of dog or another animal. Furthermore, it is statistically noted that it is the human factor that creates the aggressive and unsupervised conditions that result in unfortunate animal aggression and animal on animal and animal on human injury - in most (documented) cases. If you choose, please see the article I sighted previously...above www.dogpress.com on dog bite statistics...
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September 09, 2009 06:43 PM
I did read that page, the statistics were the same as elsewhere for the most part but are interpreted unreasonably. Pointing the finger at the owner is fine as far as it goes but it does not address the underlying problems of the dog breeds. An unattended infant can, and rarely has, been killed by a poodle. But that same poodle is otherwise no danger to anyone. That is not the case with pit bulls. They are always a danger to non-family members and often a danger to them as well. If and when they bite the results are horrific. It is not just their temperament, it is the structure and muscles of their jaws. Dogs are a very plastic species as one can see from the great variety of form and size into which they have been bred. These ones were bred into a form most efficient for killing and maiming. It is not rational to say that something should not be banned because something just as bad might come along later. What can be done now should be done now, and that is to ban the fighting dog breeds.
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September 10, 2009 08:05 PM
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http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-76513101.html
Here's a source pointing out a ten year old boy who lost both ears and part of his face after three pit bulls mauled him as he rode his bicycle. How can a civilized country allow this to continue? Can you even imagine the horror of losing both ears and having a maimed face as a child?
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Here's a source pointing out a ten year old boy who lost both ears and part of his face after three pit bulls mauled him as he rode his bicycle. How can a civilized country allow this to continue? Can you even imagine the horror of losing both ears and having a maimed face as a child?
September 09, 2009 04:29 PM
All pitbulls are not bad. So many people love them. Instead of killing them all, why don't we find a way to help the owners train them well to be good pets? To me, people should have licence and training to own them. if they attack, the owners should be responsible and should be punished. That will make a huge difference.
i heard stories of these dogs being nice house pets, when they put a ban for pitbulls in Toronto
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September 09, 2009 04:50 PM
People would love whatever dog they owned. Aside from the killings, the maulings that I have read about over the years have been horrendous. Suing the owner afterwards is little recompense for being maimed and disfigured. The dogs were bred to do that sort of damage when they bite and no amount of owner training can change it.
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September 10, 2009 08:38 PM
I'm sure they often make nice pets. Try to explain that to this 4 year old girl whose nose was bitten off by a pit bull last month. Her mother is having trouble explaining why she can't just go out and play.
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-53/1251481323128960.xml&storylist=health
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http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-53/1251481323128960.xml&storylist=health
September 09, 2009 04:52 PM
Hmm... what would happen if all the pitbulls, chihuahua, and poodles on the planet were dropped into a slippery hemispherical pit together.... Which breed would win?
The pitpulls are so much more viscious and big, but there's so *many more* chihuahua and poodles.
Wouldn't it be incredible if they all cancelled out!
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September 09, 2009 05:01 PM
I don't like chihuahuas, but I must admit that they do not threaten public safety. American cities would be better places to live if the street and drug thugs had only chihuahaus. But retrievers are real dogs and safe too.
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September 09, 2009 06:14 PM
it depends on how they are raised i have a 5 year old pure bred pit who is a family dog he sleeps with my kids waches my house if you raise them from pups they are good dogs some pepole raise them and breed them to fight they are good watch dog and they will protect just dont piss one off
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September 10, 2009 08:30 PM
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No doubt you would like seeing this photo of a cute, sweet pit bull. He and his friend mauled a couple of neighborhood children and the man who tried to stop them. http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl011108khpitbulls.123c1550.html
He sure looks sweet, maybe he's sorry about all the blood.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/L_IMAGE.1175910ab03.93.88.fa.d0.123dca12.jpg
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He sure looks sweet, maybe he's sorry about all the blood.
September 10, 2009 01:59 AM
Lucy was just put down after her twelve year life had to end because of severe arthritis. She never bit anyone, she was loved by everyone, and didn't even try to guard the house. But because she was a pit bull, people thought twice about going into my friend's aunt's yard. Lucy allowed my young children to pet her and hug her as well, even when she was old and in pain. My uncle's dog, Niki, used to play with a bowling ball like it was a beach ball. She never barked, just wagged her stump of a tail. She "guarded" his work shop in what I'd call stealth mode; she was fast asleep.
My dog is part pit bull, and the kids ride her around and the toddlers pull her fur. The most they have ever gotten from her is a lick on the face or head.
You are an ignorant fool. I suggest you go to church.
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September 10, 2009 08:19 PM
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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=6939563
In this attack on a 17 month old, the family and neighbors all attest to what a loving dog the pit bull was. A policeman gives a notable quote:
"The famous words before every dog bite is, 'Don't worry my dog does not bite. ' And the words after every dog bite is, 'I can't believe he did that, he's never done that before,'" said Sgt. Keenan.
If you stopped getting brainwashed at church into believing only what you want to believe instead of studying reality it would be a better world for the rest of us.
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In this attack on a 17 month old, the family and neighbors all attest to what a loving dog the pit bull was. A policeman gives a notable quote:
"The famous words before every dog bite is, 'Don't worry my dog does not bite. ' And the words after every dog bite is, 'I can't believe he did that, he's never done that before,'" said Sgt. Keenan.
If you stopped getting brainwashed at church into believing only what you want to believe instead of studying reality it would be a better world for the rest of us.
September 11, 2009 04:10 AM
I think to kill of any species is absolutely horrible, but this is harsh. yes pitbulls are known to harm people but it all depends on their owners. If they are brought up by nice people and are treated well, they are loving and calm, its when they are brought up to fight, and are beaten that they become vicious, and attack. My best friend has pitbull and it is the cutest dog ever, never harmed a person or anything. It will lay on the couch right next to you. It truly is the sweetest dog i have ever met. So killing of pitbulls is so harsh it makes me sick.
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September 11, 2009 09:08 PM
Hey that's not very nice it's not their fault, I think the people who made them that way should be killed. If you really think about it any breed of dog can be taught to be like that it all depends on what you breed for, if some found some of the sweetest pitbull and started breeding them for a sweet temperament then eventually there would be a ton of extremely sweet pitbulls out there, but people a completely dumb and seem to think it's a good idea to breed for anger just so they can have five minutes of fun while they watch two dogs maul each other. Heck they could have chosen any breed to do this to turn into monsters, even labs. So stop being so hateful, maybe certain people just need to be shot.
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September 12, 2009 07:42 AM
But she's right. Regardless of how much you might dislike a breed, it's not the dog's fault... it's the breeder. There's a couple of toy breeds I find so extraordinarily annoying that on a bad day it's all I can do to resist using them for punting practice, but really, it's the breeders I want to throttle, for shaming the dignified canine species that way.
In any case, although I'm not fond of Rotweilers (I hate the way they slobber), I think it's only fair to point out that what you see as Rotweiler today are soft woosy pussies compared to the line they were bred from...
The Roman War Dog.
If *those* had seen what foofs their descendants had been bred down to, there would have been howling of lost honour to match a pack of Timber Wolves chorusing lost glory with a pride of Grizzlys.
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In any case, although I'm not fond of Rotweilers (I hate the way they slobber), I think it's only fair to point out that what you see as Rotweiler today are soft woosy pussies compared to the line they were bred from...
The Roman War Dog.
If *those* had seen what foofs their descendants had been bred down to, there would have been howling of lost honour to match a pack of Timber Wolves chorusing lost glory with a pride of Grizzlys.
September 11, 2009 11:09 PM
As a Fedex driver I have problems with dogs every day. Pits on my route are no worse than other dogs. I have much more problems with Boxers and Chows than any breed. There is a female pit with pups that runs loose in my neighborhood and she is the sweetest dog I ever have been around. She lets my cat attack her without eating the cat.
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September 12, 2009 03:47 AM
there was a guy in Germany that had ideas like that....his name was adolph hitler....instead of finding ways to live with all of Gods creatures, just kill off everyone we don't like. maybe it would be simpler to "kill off" and "make extinct" those that feel that way. now, do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
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September 12, 2009 07:26 AM
lol you are scared to reply to her but you give her an un helpful answer? she was stating her own opinion....she said about the animal its not their fault..the owners have more to do with how they act so still the same thing..people are so negative here...
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2. Then there's the enforcement of the ban. How much Pit Bull lineage does a dog have to have to be banned? Does the lineage need to be documented? Or is this simply a "it looks scary" thing? Enforcement and courts are costly, requires additional government personnel, and there's simply no money for it.
3. If there was no "fighting breed" - and by this, I assume you include Bulldogs, Rotts, Shepherds and others that idiots train to fight - idiots will turn to other breeds to train to fight. Most terriers, for example. Even a chihuahua will fight.
4. So what next shall we ban as a risk to the public? Automobile ownership? Do you know how many people die in those things, and how bad for the environment they are? Alcohol? I mean, really, it has no real benefit and look at the risks involved in drinking! Spiders really used to scare me...
My dogs "remain mild mannered" because they are well trained and well cared for. They have helped me measure for a vineyard, herded loose goats and chickens, and been an incalculable benefit to me.
Holding idiots responsible for their animals is no harder than banning a breed, will fill out jails less and cost the public less.