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M$4 June 02, 2009 01:33 AM

Is a check a contract?

Someone who owes me money asked me to wait several weeks before depositing a check he gave me. I said okay but I am somewhat worried he'll have a new story in a few weeks why I should still not deposit the check. Does the fact that he's written a check offer me any peace of mind that I'll eventually see the money? What are my next steps?
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June 02, 2009 01:40 AM
Hmmm... I'd wait a few weeks before cashing it.

As for the person who wrote your check, you might want to ask why you need to wait several weeks. If they don't give you an answer, that would probably make me want to look further into this person.

Maybe you should just tell the guy who owes you money that it's no big deal and to not stress about it. He probably wrote the check to make you feel as though you are getting the money soon. Just tell him to relax - he's probably stressing a lot about it.

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June 02, 2009 03:39 PM
Maybe I should have been more specific... It was postdated one day, but then the day after he gave me the check, the day it became valid, he called to say there was a "problem with payroll" at his office and he wouldn't be getting paid for two weeks. The skeptical side of me thinks something's fishy.

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June 02, 2009 01:52 AM
I worked at a bank for 8 years. A lot of questions came up about post dating a check. If a check is dated for a future date, it is not supposed to be cashed until that business day. But if the teller doesn't notice the date, it can be cashed or deposited as normal. When a check it written, it is supposed to be backed with the available funds, post dating is not a great idea. You are not legally bound to hold your friends check until they say you can cash it, but if the funds aren't behind it, you may be charged by your bank for depositing a check that isn't good.

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June 02, 2009 01:56 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but I watch a lot of Judge Judy...

A check is a contract to give a person a specific amount of money. If you put a stop-payment, you are illegally breaking the contract because there was no "meeting of the minds" to do so. There needs to be a "meeting of the minds" to create or alter a contract. And, altering a written contract can only be done with another written contract (meaning, you cannot alter a written contract with a verbal contract).

Also, if there is insufficient funds in the account, that would be called "fraud".

Just having a check isn't a "sure thing". No matter what, you might have to go to small claims court.

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June 02, 2009 02:08 AM
Yeah, this is the way that I understand it too.

No one is allowed to write a cheque that they know cannot be cashed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sufficient_funds

However, it is in your best interests to give your friend the couple of weeks that he/she has requested. However, a few days before the date approaches, call your friend and tell him (or her) that you will be cashing it. Just say that you've waited long enough and in x number of days you'll be cashing it. Have this conversation on the phone and record the audio.

When you deposit the cheque, take it to the teller (don't deposit it into the machine). Tell the teller that you think the cheque may be NSF. The teller may (or may not) be able to confirm the funds before it is deposited. If the cheque is deposited and returns NSF, you'll likely have to pay a fee to the bank.

If the cheque comes back NSF, talk to your friend again... say that you would like payment in cash before 5pm today or you'll have no choice but to file a small claims case. Mention that you really don't want to spend the money on it but if it's the only way you can get your money then you really have no choice.

So... If the cheque does come back and this is a solid amount of money, take it to small claims. This will be a very quick and easy case - simply show what the payment was for, show that your friend said they would pay for it and gave you a cheque, you gave your friend ample time and warning (accommodations), and still... that cheque came back NSF. Now you would like your money.

The court can garnish wages or do other nasty things until you get your money.

I'm more of an old skool Whopner "people's court" person myself... but I'm still no lawyer.

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June 02, 2009 03:33 AM
@drmatt, you can alter a written contract with an oral contract under certain conditions.

1. if someone detrimentally relied upon the new conditions, the conditions will stand.
2. if both parties behaved with the new modification in place, then the contract is valid.
3. if both parties change something, then it counts as a new addition (say instead of 10,000, I promise to give you 12,000 for your car, but you also promise to add a set of winter tires--even if the contract calls for 10,000, if the other party can show that they delivered the tires and I accepted them, the contract stands--but yes, this one is very hard to prove in court)

Hope it helps.

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June 02, 2009 02:00 AM
I check is a contract as far as it is one person saying they've got the money in this account, and you saying, I'll accept that as payment (or vise versa.)

Once you cash the check, you can receive the actual bills and/or coins.

Since this person does not have the funds in their account, they have given you a bad check, which is technically illegal, though not uncommon.

If you were to cash it, they would be charged a fee. Also, you might be charged a fee. (We cashed a bad check once, and we got charged for it.) However, if you do get a fee for cashing a bad check, call your bank and ask them to waive it.

It seems like the person that gave you this check is going through hard times financial. If you can go without being paid do. On the other hand, if you need the money and/or you simply want it (it's rightfully yours anyway), tell him that you can hold off until 'x' date and then you are cashing it. Don't give him the option to choose the date, and don't back down from the date you have chosen.

A written check, should- normally, offer you peace of mind, but under these conditions I'd say that's not likely.

Source(s):
http://chestofbooks.com/finance/banking/Elementary-Banking-AIB/What-Is-A-Ch...

http://www.ckfraud.org/penalties.html

http://www.returnedcheckrecoveryservice.com/badcheck.jpg


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June 02, 2009 02:22 AM
A check is a contract. It's kind of like you're agreeing to whatever he gives you. The best thing to do is to give the check back and politely tell the person why the amount of money is unacceptable.

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June 02, 2009 02:40 AM
A check is not a contract. But a check can be an essential part of a legitimate express or implied contract, or a quasi-contract. The difference is such:
1. An express contract is written up and stated directly.
2. An implied contract is where parties behave by conduct that a contract exists (possibly your situation).
3. A quasi-contract is NOT a contract but it is a way to avoid unjust enrichment from one party to another.

To have a contract you must have promise or a set of promises, for breach of which the law gives a remedy, or the performance of which the law in some recognizes as a duty. To create a contract you must have three things:
1. mutual assent (or an offer made by one party and accepted by the other)
2. consideration (something of value given and exchanged by both sides)
3. no defenses to formation (no fraud, issues with illegality, or other deterrents)

That check that you are holding is not technically valid yet--if you agreed, for example, to cash it June 12th, should you cash it earlier, you would be in violation of terms (in breach of contract).

The fact that wrote the check now gives you some proof and evidence to bring suit against your friend should he default down the line--that is your safety net in case something goes wrong. You may not prove that a contract existed, but you would be able to show that your friend was supposed to give you money but reneged on the deal.

Should you get nothing, consider small claims.

Dimitry Alexander Kaplun, Esq.

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June 02, 2009 03:13 AM
Good faith is a mental and moral state of honesty. The presumption when a person writes a check, is there is sufficient funds to complete the bank to bank accounting transaction. Party A accepts the check from Party B with the presumption that Party B is honest and has every intent on paying the bill.

The check by itself does not constitute a contract. A check is a transactional device and terms of the purchase are not enumerated.

A check is not secure debt with collateral and consideration is not required. A collection agency can buy the debt and attempt to pursue with legal penalities. A fee is attached to the original debt as a collection service charge.

It is illegal to write a check without sufficient funds. The crime is theft and fraud. In some states writing a bad check with the intent to defraud is a felony. The seriousness depends on the amount of the check, usually a check for more than $250.

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The elements of the criminal offense of Deposit Account Fraud (Bad Check) are contained in your State's Criminal Code of Laws

Prosecution should be done in the county that the check originated.

The check must be deposited within 30 days of date delivered.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_legal_to_cash_the_good_faith_check_before_t...

http://www.ckfraud.org/penalties.html

http://www.ckfraud.org/faq.html#1


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June 02, 2009 03:43 AM
A check is not a contract. It is a form of payment.

There are many myths about using a check as anything other than just plain transfer of funds. These are all false:

1. Post-dating to delay payment. Once the check is signed, you can legally walk into the issuing bank and demand funds. The date does not matter, unless it is so old as to be legitimately stale-dated (where the expiry is printed on the check). Too many people make mistakes, or purposely alter the date in order to perpetrate fraud or delay payment of bills. (http://www.helpwithmybank.gov/faqs/banking_check_cashing.html)

2. Writing "Paid in Full". The bill collector, creditor, vendor demands $500 and you give him a check for $250 with "Paid In Full" printed on it. The check is cashed and you claim to owe nothing further. Think again. This would only work if you have written dispute over the bill and indicated you would be sending full payment in the smaller amount, AND you send the check to that same _individual_, AND that individual processes the check for payment. So, with a one-man business, this scam may work. Except for the fact that the debtor can realize the scam and repay the exact amount of the "Paid In Full" check, usually withing 90 days, and keep full claim to the debt.
(http://www.winstonandwinston.com/art%2016%20paid%20in%20full%20checks.htm)

3. Claiming goods or services in the memo/notes section. Nobody reads those...it's for reference only. So, when I write, "Sex on Friday"...your wife/girlfriend has absolutely no legal obligations. None. You can't make her. Never works. No matter how many times I try.

#3 is probably not a common problem in most businesses. #1 and #2 happen often with people who do not have honest intentions of paying for the goods/services.

Suffice it to say, if you have a post-dated check, and you are not on intimate terms, you face high risk of non-payment. That's also called fraud.

Doesn't matter that the maker of the check had good intentions to raise funds, or was applying for credit somewhere else to cover his debt to you. At the time of presentation, there was no money or ability to pay.

Post-dating is for honest people who trust each other, as a matter of convenience. I'd trust my mother with it. Barely.

Stay away from politicians with post-dated checks. Or worse, just a promise. Most of them will lose (you can only have one winner). They will run out of funds. You will never get all of your money. Often, nothing at all, since the order may have come from a promotion organization, not the indiviual.

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June 02, 2009 06:53 AM
No a check is not a contract.

People do not give other people checks for no reason. The reason he has given you a check is in exchange for you performing your part of an agreement (contract).

When and if you can legally cash that check is determined by the terms of your agreement and whether or not you have satisfactory completed your part of the agreement.

You have not stated the terms of your agreement, so we do not know if you can cash the check.

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