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Why do the courts refuse to admit certain arguments and cites of the United States Constitution?
1. Why do the courts refuse to admit certain arguments and cites of the United States Constitution?
1a. And further, find some in contempt of court if they persist in doing so?
2. Why is there so little justice in our courts today?
1a. And further, find some in contempt of court if they persist in doing so?
2. Why is there so little justice in our courts today?
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| February 23, 2009 04:25 PM |
Example: The cliche yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. While yes, on the surface that's freedom of speech, but you're infringing on other people's freedom. Specifically to not get trampled by the rush of people coming from the theater.
1a. If someone persists, and the court has already decided that the references to the Constitution will not be permissible then they're totally in the right to put them in contempt. They're holding up the preceding of the court.
2. I get the feeling that you watch a lot of cop shows on TV. This is generally not true, our justice system is very efficient (especially when compared to a 2nd or 3rd world country). Are there times when justice is not served? Sure, but most of the time the bad guy goes to jail.
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February 23, 2009 04:27 PM
I'll answer 2 first. Justice is the eye of the beholder. The judicial process is what is important. Remember, we don't always know all the information about the case. 1) (I'm not a lawyer, and...) Courts are given latitude to accept precident or not. Each court has a certain jurisdiction and can allow certain things or not. It's up to the process to uphold or keep in mind precident. That's why we have an appeals process.
1a) I don't know what the process is for contempt of court for courts. I've not heard of a judge being held in contempt.
The judicial system is made up of opinions. You can always argue opinions and get clarity (hence the appeals process). Justice, again, is in the eye of the beholder.
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February 24, 2009 06:08 AM
No judge may imprison a person for contempt of court unless the constitution delegates the power to do so and a criminal statute authorizes it.
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"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding..."
The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and any unconstitutional law is void. So the courts in not allowing the constitution into their courts are effectively invalidating the proceedings where points of contestation arise in the public domain.
Though it might be against the law to yell fire in a theater the court has no right to refuse a first amendment defense. Because any law that contradicts the Constitution is null and void. This pertains to all laws and their derivations such as codes, rules, regulations, ordinances, etc. The case would have to be tried by a jury who is the only power in this country that can override the constitution. The judge has no power to overrule the constitution or exclude it from proceedings.
Marbury v. Madison (1803) decided that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and that any law that contradicts the Constitution is null and void. "The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it; an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed ... An unconstitutional law is void." (16 American Jurisprudence 2d, Sec. 178)
So the confusion might have come about as a misunderstanding of my implication that cases I was referring to were matters of constitutional law and cases in which the constitution could apply.
On the whole a good answer.