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In many instances, I am okay with letting it go as "a fool and his money are quickly parted," and chocking such scams up to people being reckless with their resources. In this instance, however, I think it is an extreme abuse of power. The republicans are using their ability to widely distribute official looking documents to trick people into believing that they are obligated by their government to provide information, and possibly money (frankly, in this situation I think the information being forced is just as bad as the money). Since few people would want to risk putting themselves on the wrong side of a conflict with the government, I think it will read to many people as mandatory. It is immoral to present oneself as an authority figure with the power to enforce something when one is actually begging for a handout.
It is true that many people will read it carefully, wad it up and throw it away, but I don't think it's strictly a matter of gullibility. If something arrived in the mail that clearly looked like a solicitation, most people would throw it away without opening it (as these republicans obviously know). When it is disguised to look like important information that a good citizen is required to answer, many people will skim it, fill it out, and return it without devoting much time, more because they are busy and doing what seems right, than because they are lazy or stupid. When we're rushed (and who isn't, any more?) we tend to respond to situations based on past situations, rather than by processing every piece of new data. For example, think of how often you've signed something without reading it (a waiver for a rental car, a waiver about your privacy notice at the doctor's office, etc) because you've figured "I've seen this a million times, and I just don't want to read all ten pages!"
I think it's pretty scummy of them. Especially since the government has been reminding people that the census is coming up and that it's a big help to their community if they fill it out.
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These are exactly the kind of tactics and mismanagement that has led to those in politics making large fortunes off the backs of blue collar workers.
It's not even that people may not read all the way through the document, though some might. It's the intimidation that comes from simply receiving anything form the government that asks for money. Those who have lived in times and places that taught them to fear "Big Brother" will forever be looking over their shoulders. They may think for instance that while there may be no immediate consequences for not sending money, they are sure to be put on a "list".
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Smart people would not be fooled, but smart people wouldn't vote Republican, so Republican fundraisers need to target their core constituency... the down-home mom-and-pop small business owners who think that multinational corporations are their allies (when in fact multinational corps are their worst enemy).
The down-home republicans have a powerful respect for authority, and they really do want to do whatever makes sense in their way of thinking to make things better, so for the multinational corp ruling faction of the Republican party to psych into the minds of the down-home majority of the Republican party with a fund-raising form that looks like a census survey shows that the ruling class of the Republican party know exactly how to leech their own membership.
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It's probably not the smartest thing they've ever done, but it does say "Republican Party" all over it, which at my house translates to "throw me away", just like anything that says "Democratic Party" (I sometimes read material from the Libertarians, as I generally vote for their candidates whenever possible).
I doubt too many people will fill it out and send in money, since basically everybody knows the Census department doesn't collect money, nor do they print "Republican Party" all over their surveys. I might get a little more "outraged" if they had photo-shopped an IRS form and asked for money, since people are used to (grudgingly) sending money to the IRS.
In spite of the fact that the usual suspects are calling for firings and jailing, an identical form has been in public knowledge since May, with no serious repercussions. While perhaps not bright, there is nothing illegal occurring.
The Census department seems unconcerned about people being fooled into believing that the Republican Census is from them, as indicated by this response from their spokesperson, B.J. Wellborne:
"“I couldn’t really comment on the GOP (letter),” she said. “We just want to make sure what is from us. If it is a mail survey, it is pretty easy to identify that it is from the U.S. government.”
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2009/may/05/3rd-district-census-form-actually-gop-fundraiser/
Seems like a lot of tempest in a teapot, if you ask me. With issues like two wars, a failing economy, health care gone wild, Global Warming threatening to annihilate the entire planet, and education that doesn't educate, this seems like less of a real issue and more like one more opportunity for folks to lead a cheer against the other team (or for their own). We get it, you don't like the Republicans (or Democrats), you're proud to be Democrats (or Republicans), you support (or dislike) Obama, Yada yada yada.
Now please, can we all go back to the real business of running the country?
You might hate my answer, but you'll love this video (I did)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lt-f3QQ7-A&feature=related
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http://www.independentmail.com/news/2009/may/05/3rd-district-census-form-ac...
http://www.newstin.com/rel/us/en-010-019442013
http://www.mytwocensus.com/2009/05/05/breaking-news-from-south-carolina-gop...
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Sorry about the funny answer but it's the thought of this letter coming, not directed at you or your topic. I know political info has its place in society but man I could live without it.
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October 26, 2009 06:38 PM
Do you think this is wise? The Republicans are sending out fundraising/"survey" questionaires designed to look like a Census form...
...from the U.S. Census Bureau. They sent this one to a Democratic chair in Georgia, but do you agree with her that some neighbors might be fooled into thinking that they need to fill it out and send it back with some money. Some people ARE quite gullible, after all.
Sorry, here's a link to better see the picture of the solicitaion (I wonder what the envelope looked like):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_A4SfutjOGa4/SuDcGZWkteI/AAAAAAAAA1w/qnVmsvy6lxA/s1600-h/DJM.Census.JPG 
Sorry, here's a link to better see the picture of the solicitaion (I wonder what the envelope looked like):
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It is true that many people will read it carefully, wad it up and throw it away, but I don't think it's strictly a matter of gullibility. If something arrived in the mail that clearly looked like a solicitation, most people would throw it away without opening it (as these republicans obviously know). When it is disguised to look like important information that a good citizen is required to answer, many people will skim it, fill it out, and return it without devoting much time, more because they are busy and doing what seems right, than because they are lazy or stupid. When we're rushed (and who isn't, any more?) we tend to respond to situations based on past situations, rather than by processing every piece of new data. For example, think of how often you've signed something without reading it (a waiver for a rental car, a waiver about your privacy notice at the doctor's office, etc) because you've figured "I've seen this a million times, and I just don't want to read all ten pages!"
I think it's pretty scummy of them. Especially since the government has been reminding people that the census is coming up and that it's a big help to their community if they fill it out.
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October 26, 2009 07:23 PM
Thanks, quesera, for the thoughtful answer. You raise all the thoughts that came to my mind, too. Well, except for also noting that the Republicans have consistently been accusing Pres. Obama and other Dems (and supporters) with "playing politics" with the Census; the RNC has now certainly taken the blue ribbon on that accusation, as well as the award for irony.
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October 27, 2009 12:24 AM
I think at this point, people are so afraid of losing their homes and living in general fear of the government, that this is somewhat of a scare tactic that will probably work well on those of lower intelligence, previous fearful experiences with governments or simply because they just don't know any better. These are exactly the kind of tactics and mismanagement that has led to those in politics making large fortunes off the backs of blue collar workers.
It's not even that people may not read all the way through the document, though some might. It's the intimidation that comes from simply receiving anything form the government that asks for money. Those who have lived in times and places that taught them to fear "Big Brother" will forever be looking over their shoulders. They may think for instance that while there may be no immediate consequences for not sending money, they are sure to be put on a "list".
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October 28, 2009 12:04 AM
I hadn't really thought about the "scare tactic" aspect; I was thinking more about how they try to fool you into opening the envelope and keep the motif going. Thanks.
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October 27, 2009 10:30 AM
It may not be wise, but I can see why they do it. Smart people would not be fooled, but smart people wouldn't vote Republican, so Republican fundraisers need to target their core constituency... the down-home mom-and-pop small business owners who think that multinational corporations are their allies (when in fact multinational corps are their worst enemy).
The down-home republicans have a powerful respect for authority, and they really do want to do whatever makes sense in their way of thinking to make things better, so for the multinational corp ruling faction of the Republican party to psych into the minds of the down-home majority of the Republican party with a fund-raising form that looks like a census survey shows that the ruling class of the Republican party know exactly how to leech their own membership.
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October 27, 2009 09:32 PM
Okay... sorry... you're right... I should have said "smart *and* empathetic". The guys who design those forms are smart, but they're not very nice, all the more reprehensible because they're playing their game on people who are on the same side.
And it's not like Democrats are saints either. One thing that really bugs me is that membership of the two parties is divided into quarters that make for very strange bedfellows.
With Republicans, their 'elite' are selfish capitalists so devoid of vision that they can't see that after they've gutted the economic well-being of those around them in order to make themselves personally rich, they're just going to have to spend that extra profit building gates and hiring private police, so they're really no further ahead, but now they're living in compounds and are no longer free to roam and are surrounded by suffering... and the fact that that suffering doesn't bother them means they have no empathy.
Meanwhile, the common-man membership of the Republicans tends to be honest, hardworking, down-home mom-and-pop enterprises, who really are trying to get the best out of what free enterprise can enable to happen when pursued with the right spirit and a good heart.
Someone needs to explain to the Evangelicals that Capitalism and Free Enterprise are *not* the same thing... one is a system of ownership and the other is a means of production, and to mush the two together and declare them to be the same thing is Diabolical.
In the case of the Democrats, their 'elite' tend to be highly educated academic types who know lots about everything, and so they can speak with great philosophical profundity, and yes, if their ideals could be realized, then the world would be an ideal place, but there are some aspects of core human nature most viciously exemplified by core elements of their own common-man membership, which is stoners and labor thugs.
Someone needs to explain to the Baptists that Socialism and Communism are *not* the same thing. One is a system for seeing how best to divide the line between what should be in private hands versus what should be under public control, and the other is just a state of tyranny.
What I'd love to see is a reorganization, where the two parties swap quadrants, such that the academic idealistic researchers team up with the down-home mom-and-pop free enterprisers, such that the researchers can load the small business people up with fantastic tools for running a small business with hot software and robots in an environment that's 100% safe from toxins and which is green and clean and making a profit in nice neighborhoods that have parks and playground and fountains and where people can live close enough to work to be able to walk or bicycle there...
And the corporate elite should be teamed up with the stoners and labor thugs... and then... hmm... set them up with licenses saying they can have Mars if they can use their capitalistic organizational organized labor skills to build a space program that will get there and start colonizing this solar system instead of pissing surplus industrial high-tech production away on war fer crying out loud.
Anyway... okay... I apologize. I should have qualified that brash statement with a qualifier of empathy.
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And it's not like Democrats are saints either. One thing that really bugs me is that membership of the two parties is divided into quarters that make for very strange bedfellows.
With Republicans, their 'elite' are selfish capitalists so devoid of vision that they can't see that after they've gutted the economic well-being of those around them in order to make themselves personally rich, they're just going to have to spend that extra profit building gates and hiring private police, so they're really no further ahead, but now they're living in compounds and are no longer free to roam and are surrounded by suffering... and the fact that that suffering doesn't bother them means they have no empathy.
Meanwhile, the common-man membership of the Republicans tends to be honest, hardworking, down-home mom-and-pop enterprises, who really are trying to get the best out of what free enterprise can enable to happen when pursued with the right spirit and a good heart.
Someone needs to explain to the Evangelicals that Capitalism and Free Enterprise are *not* the same thing... one is a system of ownership and the other is a means of production, and to mush the two together and declare them to be the same thing is Diabolical.
In the case of the Democrats, their 'elite' tend to be highly educated academic types who know lots about everything, and so they can speak with great philosophical profundity, and yes, if their ideals could be realized, then the world would be an ideal place, but there are some aspects of core human nature most viciously exemplified by core elements of their own common-man membership, which is stoners and labor thugs.
Someone needs to explain to the Baptists that Socialism and Communism are *not* the same thing. One is a system for seeing how best to divide the line between what should be in private hands versus what should be under public control, and the other is just a state of tyranny.
What I'd love to see is a reorganization, where the two parties swap quadrants, such that the academic idealistic researchers team up with the down-home mom-and-pop free enterprisers, such that the researchers can load the small business people up with fantastic tools for running a small business with hot software and robots in an environment that's 100% safe from toxins and which is green and clean and making a profit in nice neighborhoods that have parks and playground and fountains and where people can live close enough to work to be able to walk or bicycle there...
And the corporate elite should be teamed up with the stoners and labor thugs... and then... hmm... set them up with licenses saying they can have Mars if they can use their capitalistic organizational organized labor skills to build a space program that will get there and start colonizing this solar system instead of pissing surplus industrial high-tech production away on war fer crying out loud.
Anyway... okay... I apologize. I should have qualified that brash statement with a qualifier of empathy.
October 27, 2009 11:44 PM
keepon, I'm not sure that the etiquette that has been laid down calls for such an obvious opinion statement to be sourced. That said, I do agree that we should try to avoid characterizing all people in a certain group as sharing the same trait. It wasn't the best comment, but I don't think it was an over-the-line opinion statement (and omicron's reply was amusing and thought-provoking at the same time).
Thanks to both o' you.
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Thanks to both o' you.
October 29, 2009 05:17 PM
Well actually, calling everyone who votes
Republicans unintelligent is pretty over the line, if you ask me. Just my opinion. I'm thinking that placing that kind of partisan nonsense in Mahalo's permanent record, tied to their content pages, is not good.
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Republicans unintelligent is pretty over the line, if you ask me. Just my opinion. I'm thinking that placing that kind of partisan nonsense in Mahalo's permanent record, tied to their content pages, is not good.
October 27, 2009 07:13 PM
It is good that you attempted to source you accusation of the entire history of the GOP fund raising being tainted by mentioning one example, but a source and some explanation as to why one case taints the entire history would be better.
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October 27, 2009 03:55 PM
It's probably not the smartest thing they've ever done, but it does say "Republican Party" all over it, which at my house translates to "throw me away", just like anything that says "Democratic Party" (I sometimes read material from the Libertarians, as I generally vote for their candidates whenever possible).
I doubt too many people will fill it out and send in money, since basically everybody knows the Census department doesn't collect money, nor do they print "Republican Party" all over their surveys. I might get a little more "outraged" if they had photo-shopped an IRS form and asked for money, since people are used to (grudgingly) sending money to the IRS.
In spite of the fact that the usual suspects are calling for firings and jailing, an identical form has been in public knowledge since May, with no serious repercussions. While perhaps not bright, there is nothing illegal occurring.
The Census department seems unconcerned about people being fooled into believing that the Republican Census is from them, as indicated by this response from their spokesperson, B.J. Wellborne:
"“I couldn’t really comment on the GOP (letter),” she said. “We just want to make sure what is from us. If it is a mail survey, it is pretty easy to identify that it is from the U.S. government.”
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2009/may/05/3rd-district-census-form-actually-gop-fundraiser/
Seems like a lot of tempest in a teapot, if you ask me. With issues like two wars, a failing economy, health care gone wild, Global Warming threatening to annihilate the entire planet, and education that doesn't educate, this seems like less of a real issue and more like one more opportunity for folks to lead a cheer against the other team (or for their own). We get it, you don't like the Republicans (or Democrats), you're proud to be Democrats (or Republicans), you support (or dislike) Obama, Yada yada yada.
Now please, can we all go back to the real business of running the country?
You might hate my answer, but you'll love this video (I did)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lt-f3QQ7-A&feature=related
Source(s):
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2009/may/05/3rd-district-census-form-ac...
http://www.newstin.com/rel/us/en-010-019442013
http://www.mytwocensus.com/2009/05/05/breaking-news-from-south-carolina-gop...
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October 28, 2009 12:10 AM
Thanks, keepon, for the very cogent answer, and adding the U.S. Census Bureau's reaction. It isn't really much of a tempest, but something that caught my eye since I'm managing the Census Bureau's page, and was of general interest.
BTW, I DID enjoy that video!
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BTW, I DID enjoy that video!
October 29, 2009 03:39 PM
keepon, I just re-read your post and something jumped out at me that hadn't before. Your paragraph beginning "In spite of the fact..." contains three purported facts. However, they are un-sourced and/or erroneous.
You state as fact that "...the usual suspects are calling for firings and jailing...." The article that I read which prompted this question (talkingpointsmemo.com) had no such "call", so I checked the links you provided. I could not find anyone calling for action against the RNC for this faux census form. You also state that "an identical form" has been out there since May, yet I didn't find any reference to that, either.
You then state that "nothing illegal (is) occurring." I'm not sure how you reached your definitive conclusion, especially since one of your articles talks about possible illegality of a different GOP stunt. And, it is very likely that it does run afoul of federal laws/regulations, but that it is not something that most prosecutors would prioritize and pursue. Further, something may not be illegal in the criminal sense, but could subject the faux-census-takers to civil liability for misrepresentation, etc.
You did a good job of answering the question by saying "not the smartest" and "not too bright", and then supporting with reasoning. But, I don't think you needed to overreach with that one paragraph.
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You state as fact that "...the usual suspects are calling for firings and jailing...." The article that I read which prompted this question (talkingpointsmemo.com) had no such "call", so I checked the links you provided. I could not find anyone calling for action against the RNC for this faux census form. You also state that "an identical form" has been out there since May, yet I didn't find any reference to that, either.
You then state that "nothing illegal (is) occurring." I'm not sure how you reached your definitive conclusion, especially since one of your articles talks about possible illegality of a different GOP stunt. And, it is very likely that it does run afoul of federal laws/regulations, but that it is not something that most prosecutors would prioritize and pursue. Further, something may not be illegal in the criminal sense, but could subject the faux-census-takers to civil liability for misrepresentation, etc.
You did a good job of answering the question by saying "not the smartest" and "not too bright", and then supporting with reasoning. But, I don't think you needed to overreach with that one paragraph.
October 29, 2009 05:12 PM
all of those facts were in sources that I was looking at, perhaps I copied the wrong sources. I will get you copies of them as soon as I am able. Check my work you will see that I am not one to make up facts.
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October 29, 2009 06:47 PM
I checked. The facts are correct, and are in the sources I gave you, except perhaps the source where the Census claimed there was no crime. (As well as the US Postal service in the past)
1. The author of my second source identifies the Georgia incident as fraud, and compares it to the Connecticut twitter issue and a poll he took indicating people wanted them charged with fraud and resigning. If you would like a clearer source, here's another quote:
"Republicans have no ethics or morals, they are criminals who do not think that laws apply to them. This should be illegal and I hope they do prison time for fraud on this one."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/23/georgia-republicans-send-census/
2. The first occasion of this type of census that I am aware of (this year), was in South Carolina in May, and two of my sources report exactly that. Check the dates on my first and third sources, I don't see how you can miss that, nor do I see how I can make it any plainer. It was reported May 5th in the Anderson, South Carolina newspaper I sourced (first listed source).
3. All the way back in 2000, the US postal service said there was nothing illegal when the GOP did the same thing. Here's a source for that one:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-523755.html
GOP sent out similar mailings in 2005 and 2006 with no problems (except the usual suspects that think they ought to be thrown in jail for every little thing) Here's one source (there are others, this is common knowledge):
http://fortboise.org/RNCcensus.html
"A spokesman for the Census Bureau told the Georgia TV station that the mailer is not technically illegal."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/rnc_mailer_appears_designed_to_look_like_census_su.php
hope that helps. If you have any other questions on my sources, please fell free to ask. I for one believe that Mahalo answers should be accurate, and should not include blanket statements like "no republican voters are smart", as that is obviously false, baised, and really brings down the respectability of Mahalo answerers.
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1. The author of my second source identifies the Georgia incident as fraud, and compares it to the Connecticut twitter issue and a poll he took indicating people wanted them charged with fraud and resigning. If you would like a clearer source, here's another quote:
"Republicans have no ethics or morals, they are criminals who do not think that laws apply to them. This should be illegal and I hope they do prison time for fraud on this one."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/23/georgia-republicans-send-census/
2. The first occasion of this type of census that I am aware of (this year), was in South Carolina in May, and two of my sources report exactly that. Check the dates on my first and third sources, I don't see how you can miss that, nor do I see how I can make it any plainer. It was reported May 5th in the Anderson, South Carolina newspaper I sourced (first listed source).
3. All the way back in 2000, the US postal service said there was nothing illegal when the GOP did the same thing. Here's a source for that one:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-523755.html
GOP sent out similar mailings in 2005 and 2006 with no problems (except the usual suspects that think they ought to be thrown in jail for every little thing) Here's one source (there are others, this is common knowledge):
http://fortboise.org/RNCcensus.html
"A spokesman for the Census Bureau told the Georgia TV station that the mailer is not technically illegal."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/rnc_mailer_appears_designed_to_look_like_census_su.php
hope that helps. If you have any other questions on my sources, please fell free to ask. I for one believe that Mahalo answers should be accurate, and should not include blanket statements like "no republican voters are smart", as that is obviously false, baised, and really brings down the respectability of Mahalo answerers.
October 29, 2009 08:09 PM
Thanks again, keepon. My bad on #2 - I apparently mistakenly assumed that the RNC had sent them to GA and SC at the same time.
Thanks for the new sources on #3 - though I wouldn't rely on any of them to conclude no illegality. The 2000 survey was titled differently (2000: "Republican Census" vs 2009: "Congressional District Census"), the ftboise link only shows us that they sent "Republican Census" out in 2005, and I wouldn't give any weight to the Census Bureau spokesperson's apparently-shot-from-the-hip determination. See my earlier response, and I can understand your conclusion as a qualified one - I wouldn't have made it so black-and-white.
I think your defense re: #1 is very shaky. Unless, of course, you're defining "the usual suspects" as consisting solely of that freelance screenwriter in SC (the blogger responsible for your 2nd source). And, even he didn't say anything about "firing". OK, you also found a commenter at ThinkProgress (another commenter said it was not illegal) - who also didn't mention "firing". So, do you really want to define "the usual suspects" as those two (one, anonymous) individuals? (I hope not.)
I appreciate your answers, keepon, and your commitment to not making facts up. When I saw that you said "the usual suspects" (and you repeated it in your defense), I did a double take. Your sentence gives the impression that there were high-profile "calls" for firin' and jailin', and the context seemed to validate/reiterate the frequent complaints of right-wing talk show hosts that "those liberals are whinin' again". I went to your sources to see if I had missed something. I don't think I did - remarkably, Dems have not tried to make a tempest out of this. And, I think you left the kind of "blanket statement" impression for which you upbraided others. I don't think that that's what you intended, but that is what I see.
Take care.
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Thanks for the new sources on #3 - though I wouldn't rely on any of them to conclude no illegality. The 2000 survey was titled differently (2000: "Republican Census" vs 2009: "Congressional District Census"), the ftboise link only shows us that they sent "Republican Census" out in 2005, and I wouldn't give any weight to the Census Bureau spokesperson's apparently-shot-from-the-hip determination. See my earlier response, and I can understand your conclusion as a qualified one - I wouldn't have made it so black-and-white.
I think your defense re: #1 is very shaky. Unless, of course, you're defining "the usual suspects" as consisting solely of that freelance screenwriter in SC (the blogger responsible for your 2nd source). And, even he didn't say anything about "firing". OK, you also found a commenter at ThinkProgress (another commenter said it was not illegal) - who also didn't mention "firing". So, do you really want to define "the usual suspects" as those two (one, anonymous) individuals? (I hope not.)
I appreciate your answers, keepon, and your commitment to not making facts up. When I saw that you said "the usual suspects" (and you repeated it in your defense), I did a double take. Your sentence gives the impression that there were high-profile "calls" for firin' and jailin', and the context seemed to validate/reiterate the frequent complaints of right-wing talk show hosts that "those liberals are whinin' again". I went to your sources to see if I had missed something. I don't think I did - remarkably, Dems have not tried to make a tempest out of this. And, I think you left the kind of "blanket statement" impression for which you upbraided others. I don't think that that's what you intended, but that is what I see.
Take care.
October 29, 2009 09:35 PM
The usual suspects are exactly the sort of knuckleheads who are quoted in my sources. Reading anything more into who I meant is an error on your part. As for you not wanting to take the US postal Department and the Census Deparatments as authoritative sources on illegal mailings and fradulant Census publicatios, well I guess that's up to you, but I suspect there are not many who would agree with you. My assumption is that the reason there is no uproar about it is the very fact that these sources said there was nothing illegal going on. Do you really think that if either the Post Office and the Census Department had indicated that it was illegal, or even MIGHT be illegal, nobody would have followed up on it? Your really stretching, in my opinion.
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October 27, 2009 05:22 PM
wise? lol sorry but have you ever heard of this admin doing something wise? Sorry about the funny answer but it's the thought of this letter coming, not directed at you or your topic. I know political info has its place in society but man I could live without it.
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October 28, 2009 12:13 AM
Amy, that was about as close as I've come to hitting the "unhelpful" button. But, I figured you just didn't read it closely enough to realize that "this admin" had absolutely nothing to do with the letter! Have a great one!
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