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Okay, I'll try to answer this with text and then provide a link for those who may be reading this via a mobile device. Mancow went into this to prove that it wasn't torture and after 6-7 seconds of being waterboarded, regretfully admitted that waterboarding, indeed, is torture.
Christopher Hitchens did the same thing about a year ago and came to the exact same conclusion.
Okay, now to comment on their political leanings. I'd argue that both of them have strong libertarian leanings. Hitchens used to be far left (Socialist/Trotskyite) when younger but is moderate to moderate-right now. Mancow is a card-carrying Libertarian and supported the Libertarian candidate in 2008. Contrary to their libertarianism, both are pretty hawkish, or chickenhawkish since neither of them actually served in the military. Regarding conservatism, the people we call conservative in the U.S. today are pretty far from traditional conservatism, much less libertarianism. Heck, in the U.S., the left is just barely to the left of the conservative candidates in other countries and often to the right of moderate parties elsewhere in the world. Note in the link provided that Dennis Kucinich is the only Democrat from the 2008 primaries left of center.
If anything, instead of being driven to the things they do based on political ideology, I'd say the fact that they're both attention whores is what primarily drives their actions.
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Lose...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
http://www.mahalo.com/Christopher_Hitchens
http://www.mahalo.com/Mancow
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
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http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/05/mancow_gets_waterboarded.html
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From: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/05/mancow_gets_waterboarded.html
Mancow appears to think he's demonstrated that waterboarding is without a question torture, but the legal definition for torture in the US is still
"an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control"
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002340----000-.html
For a discussion of exactly that this means, please refer to recent statements by the US Attorney General Eric Holder when asked about waterboarding Navy Seals for training purposes:
--quote--
Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them --
Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
Holder: Intent is a huge part.
--endquote--
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31882
So according to the attorney general, it doesn't matter if Mancow thinks he was tortured because it was not the intent of anyone involved to torture him.
Make of that what you will, but that is the US law code under which the waterboarding was conducted at Gitmo and which is still in place under the current administration.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOStoGd5GZw
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May 23, 2009 02:27 AM
Conservative radio host Mancow waterboarded! What was the result?
He frequently appears on FOX News. Or at least he used too.
He agreed to be waterboarded. What was his statement? Does he believe waterboarding is torture? Is there video evidence?
He agreed to be waterboarded. What was his statement? Does he believe waterboarding is torture? Is there video evidence?
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| May 23, 2009 03:04 AM |
Christopher Hitchens did the same thing about a year ago and came to the exact same conclusion.
Okay, now to comment on their political leanings. I'd argue that both of them have strong libertarian leanings. Hitchens used to be far left (Socialist/Trotskyite) when younger but is moderate to moderate-right now. Mancow is a card-carrying Libertarian and supported the Libertarian candidate in 2008. Contrary to their libertarianism, both are pretty hawkish, or chickenhawkish since neither of them actually served in the military. Regarding conservatism, the people we call conservative in the U.S. today are pretty far from traditional conservatism, much less libertarianism. Heck, in the U.S., the left is just barely to the left of the conservative candidates in other countries and often to the right of moderate parties elsewhere in the world. Note in the link provided that Dennis Kucinich is the only Democrat from the 2008 primaries left of center.
If anything, instead of being driven to the things they do based on political ideology, I'd say the fact that they're both attention whores is what primarily drives their actions.
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Lose...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
http://www.mahalo.com/Christopher_Hitchens
http://www.mahalo.com/Mancow
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
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May 23, 2009 04:23 AM
Of course, the locations of the politicians on the chart depends on who is drawing the chart. I think that it would be safe to say that a majority of Americans would draw the chart differently. Thus, the problem of common definitions. No common definitions, no rational discourse.
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May 23, 2009 02:32 AM
He confessed to being a closet liberal. No? Well, here is a link with the video; http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/05/mancow_gets_waterboarded.html
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May 23, 2009 06:30 PM
You would guess that at most only one of the following could be true:
a) Waterboarding is so unbearable that people who have years of combat experience and are willing to die for their cause can be broken by it
b) Waterboarding is so useless that a journalist can endure it
So something of a no-win scenario.
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a) Waterboarding is so unbearable that people who have years of combat experience and are willing to die for their cause can be broken by it
b) Waterboarding is so useless that a journalist can endure it
So something of a no-win scenario.
May 23, 2009 01:49 PM
"Chicago radio icon Erich "Mancow" Muller became the next in a line of journalists and media personalities to get waterboarded to show us that it is, indeed, torture" From: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/05/mancow_gets_waterboarded.html
Mancow appears to think he's demonstrated that waterboarding is without a question torture, but the legal definition for torture in the US is still
"an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control"
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002340----000-.html
For a discussion of exactly that this means, please refer to recent statements by the US Attorney General Eric Holder when asked about waterboarding Navy Seals for training purposes:
--quote--
Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them --
Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
Holder: Intent is a huge part.
--endquote--
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31882
So according to the attorney general, it doesn't matter if Mancow thinks he was tortured because it was not the intent of anyone involved to torture him.
Make of that what you will, but that is the US law code under which the waterboarding was conducted at Gitmo and which is still in place under the current administration.
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May 23, 2009 02:32 PM
Yes, Mancow was not tortured because there was no intent to harm him. However, he has shown that waterboarding a prisoner at Gitmo would be torture under US law.
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May 23, 2009 03:28 PM
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“However, he has shown that waterboarding a prisoner at Gitmo would be torture under US law.”
This statement takes as ‘a priori’ that practitioners of waterboarding at Gitmo had the specific intent to commit torture (as opposed to intent to solicit information, for example). Mancow’s proclamation that waterboarding is torture ignores the legal requirement that the intent to commit torture be established to convict someone of torture (much like the burden of proof to show intent to commit murder in first degree murder cases).
What Mancow has shown is that waterboarding is highly unpleasant, and something that probably none of us wishes to experience. But in the absence of the intent to commit torture, US law says that whatever waterboarding at Gitmo was, it was not torture.
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“However, he has shown that waterboarding a prisoner at Gitmo would be torture under US law.”
This statement takes as ‘a priori’ that practitioners of waterboarding at Gitmo had the specific intent to commit torture (as opposed to intent to solicit information, for example). Mancow’s proclamation that waterboarding is torture ignores the legal requirement that the intent to commit torture be established to convict someone of torture (much like the burden of proof to show intent to commit murder in first degree murder cases).
What Mancow has shown is that waterboarding is highly unpleasant, and something that probably none of us wishes to experience. But in the absence of the intent to commit torture, US law says that whatever waterboarding at Gitmo was, it was not torture.
May 23, 2009 07:02 PM
The Young Turks have the full video of the event plus his statements. Mancow went in believing 100% it was not torture, figured he could endure it no problem, after 6 seconds of it he quits and admits it's torture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOStoGd5GZw
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