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The Taliban chose to support Al Qaeda in the face of an American ultimatum and as a result the United States invaded in October 2001 driving the Taliban from power. In my opinion this was a legitimate act of self-defense by the United States because Al Qaeda had proven they could successfully attack the United States using Afghanistan as a base.
Since that time the United States has struggled to transition Afghanistan into a peaceful democracy.
What has the US accomplished? We have eliminated a terrorist sanctuary and removed the Taliban from power. Both good things by most peoples measures.
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But i don't think this war of terrory is for the good only i serious think some profitseekers are up to things.
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Still, Bin Laden is at large. More threats are coming against America.
The lessons learned here are, winning the war can be easy, but bringing stability to a nation is hard to achieve.
America should find a way to deal with threats, other than war.
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http://www.examiner.com/x-17537-Defense-Dept-Examiner~y2009m10d10-Afghanist...
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/10/06/how_war_will_end_in_afghan...
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One has to understand why USSR and Americans have failed in their mission. Afghanistan was always an opium production country, where opium, money and war lords rule the county. Where corruption, religion, religion based jihads wars is been from ages. You cannot change it so suddenly. This is a country with near the worst in the world in poverty rates, life expectancy, unemployment, child mortality, and lack or no of human rights. Human rights violation is a everyday phenomenon, history is the witness to such horrifying deeds.
Before answering the question, what have eight years of war and occupation accomplished? One have to understand the history bit. Histroy is the best guide.
We have to go back in the mid of cold war period, when USSR invaded Afghanistan. American’s went all out indirectly with the help of Pakistan and Jehadi groups to fight against Soviets. Gave planning, funding, providing logistical and intelligence support to these Jehadi groups and managed to push Soviets.
But created demons in the name of Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban. Pakistan gained in the bargin by getting funds from USA. And they kept on fuelling these groups for their own selfish motive.
There is a saying in India, what you sow same thing you reap.
Eight years of war and occupation and what do USA see?
The Afghan economy is shattered. Women remain oppressed, as they were under the Taliban. Afghan anger and growing rage at the U.S is contiuing. The Taliban has increased in popularity because U.S. attacks enflame Afghanis against the U.S. and is driving many reluctantly into the arms of the Taliban. The recent elections are still being contested because of massive fraud. War and drug lords are part of the Afghanistan government.
America is rich and technologically very advanced, but they have to understand one thing nation building is not their cup of tea. America cannot justify an unjust and unwinnable war.
American war on Afghanistan, perpetuating a cycle of violence and sowing the seeds of more 9/11’s, more terrorism, and many more wars.
History repeats again, Afghanistan war is another Vietnam war?
But having put your hand America cannot pull back but fight this war for some more decades.
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Some obvious are:
- Dislodge and disrupt the terror group taliban and al queda.
- Made life of afghans a bit more bearable thru various assistance
- Help establish democracy, new constitution and election
-Destroyed thousand of tons of poppy, would otherwise become dangerous drug.
There are much more that we even don't know about.
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- Remove the Taliban
- Eliminate Al Queda
- Get 'Osama Bin Laden' Dead or Alive
- Rebuild and establish an Afghan style democratic that respects fundamental human rights.
So Far...
- Bin Laden is still alive and cant be found (rather not looking hard enough).
- Taliban has regrouped and is taking back some lost territories
- A corrupt Afghan government rigging elections.
- Women's Rights not fully restored.
So why is US still there?
- To Protect the Poppy Fields
Anybody who watched the movie "American Gangster" showed how Frank Lucas smuggled Heroin on dead american soldiers casket during the Vietnam War.
Even Wall Street is on the take when they announced "Afghan Opium Prices Drop to 8-Year Low, Cartels Grow (Update1)" Its amazing how they track Opium commodity prices on illegal drugs. When they are not traded on the open market.
Will the Afghanistan War End?
There is so much money thrown around and to be made. They like to keep this war going on forever. Like the people from:
- Military Weapons Contracts
- Afghan Goverment Official
- Private Security Contractors - like Blackwater
- Druglords
Source(s):
American Gangster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gangster_(film)
Frank Lucas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas_(drug_lord)
Afghan Opium Prices Drop to 8-Year Low, Cartels Grow (Update1)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aAshbP0J.JFE
No Agenda #127 Podcast - Poppy Futures Booming!
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/no-agenda-127-listen-now/
Podcast Show Notes:
http://curry.com/?p=1833
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Canada Helps too.
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The original idea was that a coalition was to go into Afghanistan and route out the Taliban, wipe out Al Queda, and caputre Bin Ladin, but the US didn't show up, leaving mostly Canada holding the bag, with Holland helping as much as it could, holding the bag.
The US has now actually finally shown up, much to Canadian relief because they were *so* over stretched, such that now maybe, just maybe, some progress can happen, but it's still going to fail unless something is changed about the whole program, and that has to do with reconstruction.
The it works now, the Taliban are run out by soldiers who do what soldiers are supposed to do, which is win battles, but then there's no followup by reconstructionists to rebuild the schools and infrastructure until it takes root.
The troops hang around as long as they can, and sometimes even do what they're not trained to do, which is help with reconstruction, but invariably they get called away to another mission, and as they're gone, the Taliban move back in.
To make it work you need the occupation to happen with three tiers, and not just the one tier of soldiers like is happening now.
Tier one is the soldiers who kick the Taliban out.
Tier-two is cops who can hold the line and keep the Taliban out, and to maintain order. Remember, soldiers are not cops. They are not trained to be social-order baby sitters. They are trained to win battles, so it's a misuse of soldier training to have them kick out Taliban and then have to become cops. Cop training is totally different. It's a different skill to be a good cop compared to what one must know to be a good soldier. As soon as tier-two cop force is moved in, then the tier-one soldiers can be moved on to fight more battles and to actually put a run on Taliban for a change.
Tier-three... reconstructionists who can rebuild the schools and infrastructure, and help them get started growing crops other than poppies with guarantees to buy those crops, or, if poppies are the only thing that will grow there, then reconstructinists can supervise the growing and harvesting of the poppies while protected by the cops keeping the Taliban out and maintaining order in the town, and then we buy those poppies, and we use them to make pain killers for terminal cancer patients or anyone else with a medical condition of chronic pain.
But... as it is now without tier-two and tier-three to follow the soldiers, who get too spread out and wasted on their training trying to do tier-two and tier-three stuff, there's no way it's going to win, even with Uncle Sam finally joining the party which was originally thrown in his honor because of the twin-tower attack!
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America has been in Afghanistan now for what 8 years? What has been accomplished?
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October 11, 2009 09:16 PM
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Honestly doesn't seem like a whole lot...I'm sure there are those who would argue that though. I know I'm over there and I'm sure there are a bunch of little things that the troops see and do that we don't hear about....I guess in my opinion...if what need to be taken care of was taken care of we wouldn't have troops there....they are still there so apparantly not all is done and squared away...Just an opinion though..:)
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October 11, 2009 09:18 PM
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what has been accomplished?,nothing but a bunch of people getting murdered!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 11, 2009 09:33 PM
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Let's remember why we are in Afghanistan. In 2001 the Taliban provided sanctuary to Al Qaeda. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Afghanistan and terrorists were using it as a secure base for training. The Taliban chose to support Al Qaeda in the face of an American ultimatum and as a result the United States invaded in October 2001 driving the Taliban from power. In my opinion this was a legitimate act of self-defense by the United States because Al Qaeda had proven they could successfully attack the United States using Afghanistan as a base.
Since that time the United States has struggled to transition Afghanistan into a peaceful democracy.
What has the US accomplished? We have eliminated a terrorist sanctuary and removed the Taliban from power. Both good things by most peoples measures.
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October 13, 2009 01:09 AM
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The bipartisan commission of inquiry into 9/11 reported that the decision to invade Afghanistan was made before the 9/11 attacks.
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October 11, 2009 09:33 PM
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I have been looking for answers to this question all over the web since I saw this question here. I can not seem to find a whole lot that says we have accomplished anything in Afghanistan. I did come across this article that seems to show a yearly timeline through 2008 about the war. It seems that we did push back Al Quida and the Taliban though they have gained some of thier hold back. We have also seemed to help the process of electing goverment seats and voting for them to take hold on the Afghan people. For the article I found follow this link. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/03/afghanistan.war.timeline/index.html
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October 11, 2009 10:33 PM
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There has not been another 9/11 is what has been accomplished by US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. *knocks on wood that there won't be*
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October 11, 2009 11:07 PM
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Im not expert at whats happening in afgan, but as far as i have been informed a large increase of oils has been coming for afgan and areas about and Many american bases are made there as well. But i don't think this war of terrory is for the good only i serious think some profitseekers are up to things.
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October 11, 2009 11:49 PM
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America was able to put an end to the Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Many Afghan people immigrated to Canada and other countries.The Afghanis braved to vote the recent election even though Taliban threatened to punish who vote . Still, Bin Laden is at large. More threats are coming against America.
The lessons learned here are, winning the war can be easy, but bringing stability to a nation is hard to achieve.
America should find a way to deal with threats, other than war.
Source(s):
http://www.examiner.com/x-17537-Defense-Dept-Examiner~y2009m10d10-Afghanist...
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/10/06/how_war_will_end_in_afghan...
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October 12, 2009 05:02 AM
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American invasion to Afghanistan was a planned attack prior to 9/11, but was a wrong tactics. Afghanistan is a worst country USSR burned their hands and now American are learning it in a hard way. One has to understand why USSR and Americans have failed in their mission. Afghanistan was always an opium production country, where opium, money and war lords rule the county. Where corruption, religion, religion based jihads wars is been from ages. You cannot change it so suddenly. This is a country with near the worst in the world in poverty rates, life expectancy, unemployment, child mortality, and lack or no of human rights. Human rights violation is a everyday phenomenon, history is the witness to such horrifying deeds.
Before answering the question, what have eight years of war and occupation accomplished? One have to understand the history bit. Histroy is the best guide.
We have to go back in the mid of cold war period, when USSR invaded Afghanistan. American’s went all out indirectly with the help of Pakistan and Jehadi groups to fight against Soviets. Gave planning, funding, providing logistical and intelligence support to these Jehadi groups and managed to push Soviets.
But created demons in the name of Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban. Pakistan gained in the bargin by getting funds from USA. And they kept on fuelling these groups for their own selfish motive.
There is a saying in India, what you sow same thing you reap.
Eight years of war and occupation and what do USA see?
The Afghan economy is shattered. Women remain oppressed, as they were under the Taliban. Afghan anger and growing rage at the U.S is contiuing. The Taliban has increased in popularity because U.S. attacks enflame Afghanis against the U.S. and is driving many reluctantly into the arms of the Taliban. The recent elections are still being contested because of massive fraud. War and drug lords are part of the Afghanistan government.
America is rich and technologically very advanced, but they have to understand one thing nation building is not their cup of tea. America cannot justify an unjust and unwinnable war.
American war on Afghanistan, perpetuating a cycle of violence and sowing the seeds of more 9/11’s, more terrorism, and many more wars.
History repeats again, Afghanistan war is another Vietnam war?
But having put your hand America cannot pull back but fight this war for some more decades.
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October 15, 2009 04:59 PM
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October 15, 2009 05:06 PM
"American’s went all out indirectly with the help of Pakistan and Jehadi groups to fight against Soviets. "
I also agree with that, but I found my source in Bengali, so couldn't proof my words about same topic in past, can you give me a English source?
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I also agree with that, but I found my source in Bengali, so couldn't proof my words about same topic in past, can you give me a English source?
October 12, 2009 07:12 AM
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I think America wants to remove all kind of terrorist activities from Afghanistan but it seems to be not done.America trying their best but it is very difficult to put an end to terrorism.
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October 12, 2009 12:02 PM
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There are many accomplishment in afghanistan for 8 years: Some obvious are:
- Dislodge and disrupt the terror group taliban and al queda.
- Made life of afghans a bit more bearable thru various assistance
- Help establish democracy, new constitution and election
-Destroyed thousand of tons of poppy, would otherwise become dangerous drug.
There are much more that we even don't know about.
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October 13, 2009 01:17 AM
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Afghanistan poppy production has increased (not decreased) after the United States invasion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afghanistan_opium_poppy_cultivation_1994-2007b.PNG
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October 12, 2009 01:55 PM
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The attack on the world trade center was an act of war. There was no option but to respond.
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October 12, 2009 04:01 PM
The mission was... - Remove the Taliban
- Eliminate Al Queda
- Get 'Osama Bin Laden' Dead or Alive
- Rebuild and establish an Afghan style democratic that respects fundamental human rights.
So Far...
- Bin Laden is still alive and cant be found (rather not looking hard enough).
- Taliban has regrouped and is taking back some lost territories
- A corrupt Afghan government rigging elections.
- Women's Rights not fully restored.
So why is US still there?
- To Protect the Poppy Fields
Anybody who watched the movie "American Gangster" showed how Frank Lucas smuggled Heroin on dead american soldiers casket during the Vietnam War.
Even Wall Street is on the take when they announced "Afghan Opium Prices Drop to 8-Year Low, Cartels Grow (Update1)" Its amazing how they track Opium commodity prices on illegal drugs. When they are not traded on the open market.
Will the Afghanistan War End?
There is so much money thrown around and to be made. They like to keep this war going on forever. Like the people from:
- Military Weapons Contracts
- Afghan Goverment Official
- Private Security Contractors - like Blackwater
- Druglords
Source(s):
American Gangster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gangster_(film)
Frank Lucas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas_(drug_lord)
Afghan Opium Prices Drop to 8-Year Low, Cartels Grow (Update1)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aAshbP0J.JFE
No Agenda #127 Podcast - Poppy Futures Booming!
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/no-agenda-127-listen-now/
Podcast Show Notes:
http://curry.com/?p=1833
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October 12, 2009 05:16 PM
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They Have accoplished so much. Afghan Army is Growing and people are starting to see safety. The mission is becoming more clear. There has to be a Government and We are on our way to providing it. Canada Helps too.
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October 17, 2009 05:16 AM
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Keep in mind that the US wasn't really doing much in Afghanistan... it's attention was diverted by Iraq. The original idea was that a coalition was to go into Afghanistan and route out the Taliban, wipe out Al Queda, and caputre Bin Ladin, but the US didn't show up, leaving mostly Canada holding the bag, with Holland helping as much as it could, holding the bag.
The US has now actually finally shown up, much to Canadian relief because they were *so* over stretched, such that now maybe, just maybe, some progress can happen, but it's still going to fail unless something is changed about the whole program, and that has to do with reconstruction.
The it works now, the Taliban are run out by soldiers who do what soldiers are supposed to do, which is win battles, but then there's no followup by reconstructionists to rebuild the schools and infrastructure until it takes root.
The troops hang around as long as they can, and sometimes even do what they're not trained to do, which is help with reconstruction, but invariably they get called away to another mission, and as they're gone, the Taliban move back in.
To make it work you need the occupation to happen with three tiers, and not just the one tier of soldiers like is happening now.
Tier one is the soldiers who kick the Taliban out.
Tier-two is cops who can hold the line and keep the Taliban out, and to maintain order. Remember, soldiers are not cops. They are not trained to be social-order baby sitters. They are trained to win battles, so it's a misuse of soldier training to have them kick out Taliban and then have to become cops. Cop training is totally different. It's a different skill to be a good cop compared to what one must know to be a good soldier. As soon as tier-two cop force is moved in, then the tier-one soldiers can be moved on to fight more battles and to actually put a run on Taliban for a change.
Tier-three... reconstructionists who can rebuild the schools and infrastructure, and help them get started growing crops other than poppies with guarantees to buy those crops, or, if poppies are the only thing that will grow there, then reconstructinists can supervise the growing and harvesting of the poppies while protected by the cops keeping the Taliban out and maintaining order in the town, and then we buy those poppies, and we use them to make pain killers for terminal cancer patients or anyone else with a medical condition of chronic pain.
But... as it is now without tier-two and tier-three to follow the soldiers, who get too spread out and wasted on their training trying to do tier-two and tier-three stuff, there's no way it's going to win, even with Uncle Sam finally joining the party which was originally thrown in his honor because of the twin-tower attack!
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