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My mutual fund tanked in this economy but apparently it accrued capital gains! Read on...Please HELP!

My investment banker just called me and told me that my mutual fund (that was worth 26K and is now worth about 18K) has accrued cap gains distribution. He said that although the accounts value has lost a ton of money, those gains will be taxed and I will probably owe around $1,000.00 between State and Fed taxes. His advice was that I should move about 10K to another mutual fund to recognize the loss and offset the cap gains.

First questions....Is there any way to avoid the cap gain tax without touching my investment? I hate to move things now while the market is crushed.

Second questions...Is my investment banker just looking for a commission on the fund transfer? Basically, is his advice worth taking?

My investment is currently in NLGCX.
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whiskeybravo | 3 years, 5 months ago
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This is not very unusual when the market is going badly. As customers rush to take money out of the fund, the fund is forced to sell assets. Based on FIFO (First In First Out) those assets are often still sold at a profit even though the overall investment is in the toilet. Therefore remaining shareholders get hit with a capital gain for the old one-two punch.

Your broker actually gives good advice here. If you sell your fund shares at a loss, it offsets the gain. In the current environment you will probably be able to buy them back in a few months at nearly the same price. Just watch the dates for so called "wash sale" rules.

There is no way that I know of to offset this gain without hitting this investment or some other for a loss.

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montereykiddo | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Thanks for the insight. Very helpful!

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williamwaco | 3 years, 5 months ago
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There are only two things in life that are absolutely unavoidable, death, and taxes. You investor advisor is telling the truth. As the fund declined, they had to sell stocks to meet the withdrawals. They make every effort to avoid selling things that will cause you to have a taxable gain but eventually they have sold everything that does not require a tax bite and they have no choice to but to sell investments in which they have a gain, thus triggering a taxable event for all the fund holders.

If you possibly can, pay the tax out of pocket and you will not need to sell the fund. If you can't do that, just grit your teeth and take the hit.

I never make specific investment recommendations and this is not a recommendation for or against the fund. Your fund has a four star rating by Morning Star. That is quite good. It also has a 1% deferred load which means you will have to pay a 1% fee on the withdrawal. The expense ration is 2.22%. I consider that too high but if they make you money, who cares?

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montereykiddo | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

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mattwang | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Here is some advice:

First question: There is not much you can do without touching your investment to prevent the capital gains distribution.

Second question: He is not necessarily looking for a commission, but it could be a factor in his advice. He probably does want to prevent you from paying the $1,000 capital gains tax. If you follow his advice, you will feel like you saved $1,000 and he will have made some money, which is a win for both parties.

I also took a quick look at the fund and it looks ok, but a little expensive (2.22% expense ratio) Four stars from Morningstar means it is an above average fund.

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montereykiddo | 3 years, 5 months ago Report

Thanks! Great advice!

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the doc | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Apparently it is common in years when stock investments do poorly to sell and then repurchase them (after a suitable waiting period) at the end of the year to register a loss which can be used as a tax deduction or to offset gains. It is possible to loose money doing this if the market goes up after you sell and you're forced to repurchase at a higher value, but conversely, if the market continues to fall you may actually be able to buy more shares with the same cash outlay later on.
So no, your investment advisor is likely not just looking to make a quick commission, he seems to be giving sound advice for a mutual fund in this economy.

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kublakant | 3 years, 5 months ago
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Your broker is giving you sound advice if your goal is to avoid paying the tax. You cannot avoid paying the tax any other way unless you have losses from previous years that you can carry forward to offset the gains, or you have other underwater assets that you can sell at a loss.

Your broker will get a commission, but it appears that his advice is correct. The only way to avoid the tax is to recognize a loss and offset the gains.

In this market, I would not expect the price of your fund to return to its previous levels any time soon. So, don't tie your money up waiting for it to come back, take the loss and move on.

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jranft | 3 years, 5 months ago
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First of all, I don't know why you are paying an investment banker when you are investing 26k. You could invest yourself. It's not that hard.

Second of all, your guy is right. Offset the gain with a loss for the same amount, so your tax situation is zero. Move the money from the overpriced mutual fund and your bankers fees to an Exchange Traded Fund (ETF) that follows the same strategy.

You probably have what's called an advisor fund, which means the fund has a fee, and then your advisor gets and extra fee for selling it to you. Ask him if he gets this. Ask what the total expense ratio and fees are. Never pay more than 1.0% total for a managed fund, and 0.2% total for any fund tracking an index.
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hartwell | 3 years, 5 months ago
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yup, as explained above... it happens. i'd sell the shares and buy QQQQ or SPY instead. (Those are ETFs based on the Nasdaq and S&P)

Why is this in a non tax deferred account? Have you maxed out your 401K and IRA contributions? If this fund were in a tax deferred account, you wouldn't need to worry about tax on the capital gains. (well, not until after retirement.)
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