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M$8.80 November 12, 2009 12:20 PM

What do you think Vertical Managers should do?

In the Mahalo Tutorial yesterday, Lon and Mike talked a lot about Vertical Management.

Generally, a Vertical Manager is responsible for maximizing the revenue that each Page Manager who manages pages in his or her chosen Vertical receives.

How a Vertical Manager does that has not been defined.

As a Page Manager, what would you like to see a Vertical Manager do?

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November 12, 2009 12:52 PM
Number one, at least in my mind that most people have issues with in online writing and could use a pro to optimize their pages is in the way of SEO. Many people who end up in web content writing start off a bit clueless about how search engines work and how to make a page rank in google. Even some with experience, still could use some help like myself.

Second, general editing. I may be a writer, but I am not an editor and my grammar is horrific. Doesn't seem to matter how many times I edit a page I always miss something and find mistakes later. A back up set of eyes is helpful in that respect as typos and grammar errors hurt a page more than you know.

Lastly, recommended updates. Two minds are better than one, sometimes cashing in on an opportune idea for a change on a page can really rake in the page views.

As an example I saw in answered direct questions.. recommending someone with say the apple pie page add a thanksgiving how to on apple pies to their page to take advantage of the holidays. This is something a VM should do. The page manger may not think of such an idea, and the VM recommending it will likely raise page views.

That's my main three:
1.SEO advice and editing
2. General editing and content check
3. Recommended improvements for optimal earnings.

I'd give 10% for that.
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November 12, 2009 03:20 PM
lol Talk about using inside information to get best answer :D Good to know though that was one thing that wasn't covered in the amazingly long two hour tutorial.. what exactly do they do?

Anyway... to answer the new question for the question..

1)
Does anyone think that Vertical Managers SHOULD be doing anything different from what Jason has outlined here?

Nope, sounds awesome.
2)
Is there ANYTHING at all that you are hoping a Vertical Manager will be able to do for you specifically?

*Highlights number 2 in her answer* which I suppose would be number 1 in Jason's answer.

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November 12, 2009 08:37 PM
Some people may not be aware that I am available for both page managers and vertical managers to come to with SEO questions.

So, please, if anyone has questions, or want suggestions, please feel free to ask via my profile! =)

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November 12, 2009 03:01 PM
in my mind the important things for a vertical manager to do are:

1. maintain high editorial standards across the pages in their vertical.
2. support and motivate their page managers to create the high-quality pages possible.
3. build out a vertical to be as complete and delightful to our users as possible. for example, if you were to go to the gadget category and there was no page for a three of the top 10 popular phones that would be a bad experience that a vertical manager could easily solve by assigning those three phones in Tasks (or emailing their best page manager directly!).
4. checking in with page managers who might have forgotten about a certain page, and as a result it is not as up to date as possible.
5. training and recruiting new page managers for their vertical
6. marketing their vertical via social channels, blogs, contests, social media, etc.
7. maximize the revenue potential of the vertical in order to invest in quality.

as you will note above, my main focus of the vertical manager is increasing quality, comprehensiveness and recruiting.

we already have a lot of good page managers, but they don't really have a "coach" telling them what to do next. that's what the vertical manager should really be doing.... coaching the page managers on how to take things to the next level.
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November 12, 2009 03:09 PM
I doubt that there could be a better list than this since it came from the honcho himself. Thanks for the answer Jason!

Rather than assign best answer right now...

1)
Does anyone think that Vertical Managers SHOULD be doing anything different from what Jason has outlined here?

2)
Is there ANYTHING at all that you are hoping a Vertical Manager will be able to do for you specifically?

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November 12, 2009 05:32 PM
Can't really compete with the bosses answer there, but I'd like to add that @lon mentioned in the tutorial that Vertical Managers will essentially be doing people management the way staff has been doing so far.

This means your Vertical Manager should be your point of contact for any problems, questions or concerns you have during the building and promoting stages of your Mahalo Page.

To answer your next question, what I would hope for is that all Vertical Managers are dedicated full time Mahaloians (and I hope their earning can reflect that) - And they should be available throughout the day. One of the main goals will likely to be take a big load off the in-house staff, this way they can work on managing the vertical managers and not the individual page managers. Essentially Mahalo is wedging in a brand new type of Mahaloian between staff and users.

What is not an official VM job but one I would like to see is Vertical Managers creating tasks for Page Managers to work on. In turn, I would like to see the Vertical Managers being in charge of QCing the Tasks they assigned - and getting that QC pay as well. The current system is really just a free-for-all when it comes to QCing - I think putting VMs in charge of their Verticals tasks, it would be a great way to streamline the process and it would be very clear to users who to turn turn to if they encounter a problem during the task process. Along those lines I would hope it would be easy for Vertical Managers to sort through only their task list, and not have to rummage through all tasks.

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November 12, 2009 08:40 PM
interesting suggestion with the QC'ing.

lon did mention that VM's could do barnraisings and assign tasks directly to their page managers...

I'm wondering if new page requests generated by members will still go through staff, and if so, will they be automatically assigned to a VM the way they are to the person who requested it as PM?

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November 12, 2009 10:32 PM
QC
I envision vertical managers becoming the QC people for their categories. I think vertial managers should be the only QC people for their categories, though, and do away with the QC team. The requirements of the different categories are different, and a vertical manager is going to know his or her category better than anyone else. This is a lot of work, so of course the vertical manager should get the QC tip for each task they QC.

Related Mahalo Page links
I also envision the vertical managers having primary responsibility for determining which Related Mahalo Page links should be on each page in their category.

Advertising
I of course want the vertical managers to advertise their categories for an hour every day. ;) Not this last tutorial, but the one before, Lon said the vertical managers would have primary advertising responsibility.

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November 13, 2009 01:06 AM
PS It would be less ambiguous if Mahalo called the Vertical Managers "Category Managers".

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November 12, 2009 10:58 PM
I would also like the vertical managers to see if individual page managers have ideas for building out and marketing sub categories. I have ideas for each of the subcategories I'm working on, but Mahalo only sees my ideas one or two topics at a time. I do have a bigger picture view and I'm willing to bet that a few other folks do to.

I would also like them to learn from page managers what type of marketing efforts have proven most successful for their pages. Twenty percent of methods tested provide 80% of the payoff for a certain sub-category, focus on the 20% for the bulk of related pages.

Look for opportunities to pull groups of pages together with a leading topic page. Reduces how many pages there are to market as long as the related pages links are closely coupled to the page topic.

Help with redirects and topic name cleanups. Lots of duplicates and nonsense pages need to be cleaned up.

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November 17, 2009 09:59 AM
Agree - right now all Mahalo staff sees is a single page request. But that page (at least for what I would want to do) is related to other pages. I'd like to build out a topic with all its sub-categories but can't with singular requests (due to page managed limits). I'd be happy to submit a set of pages I'd like to manage on a topic.

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