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M$1 December 30, 2008 11:41 PM

Are romantic movies bad for you?

"Last week, researchers at Heriot Watt University's Family and Personal Relationships Laboratory in Edinburgh, which studies best practices in relationship counseling, completed a study of 40 Hollywood romantic comedies released between 1995-2005. They found that problems typically reported by couples in relationship counseling at their counseling center reflect misconceptions about love and romance depicted in Hollywood films."
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1868389,00.html

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December 31, 2008 02:58 PM
I don't think that romantic movies are necessarily 'bad' for you. I do think that society isn't exactly honest with young people about the realistic expectations of love. Young people seem to be suffering from what I call the Disney Delusion. The think that everyone is supposed to fall in love and live happily ever after. Sometimes I think the typical romantic chick flick tends to perpetuate what Disney Princess movies propagate.

While you would think that common sense would prevail and that society as a whole would recognize fiction when they see it, it does affect us on a deeper level. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a more in depth social experiment showed a parallel between a rise in romantic blockbusters and an increase in the divorce rate.

This could be though that most movies (disney princesses or romantic comedies) only depict life up until marriage. You see very few movies that depict life after the "they lived happily ever after" end scene. Mostly because life after the wedding (unless marred with tragedy of some sort) isn't exactly exciting, which is understandable but is still not anything that is every really conveyed.

There's not much you can do about it though, other than keep in mind that it is fiction and while life does imitate art, and vice versa, it's more akin to looking at your reflection in a fun house mirror. Romantic movies aren't bad for you, accepting their unrealistic expectations of love as reality is.
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December 30, 2008 11:59 PM
I think hollywood films make it too glossy, and I don't think real life romance is anything like hollywood films makes it look. I definitely think it affects people, but in terms of being "bad" for people, I don't think so.

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December 31, 2008 12:06 AM
The only romantic movie I have seen lately was Wall-E. It did not seem to cause problems with my girlfriend.

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December 31, 2008 12:11 AM
Absolutely not, these movies are not bad for you! They are in fact good for you, only if it makes you realize what is seen in the movies is not always the way you should be in real life. In cases where people see the movies and believe their romance should mirror that of Hollywood, then the people would be making a bad decision, but by no means are movies bad for you. It's the same as saying video games are bad for people. It's only bad when people do not separate what is fiction from what is reality. If people make their lives like a movie, then the should be the actors in the movies! If you can separate movies from reality, then romantic movies are good to watch. If these movies affect your life, and influence your decisions in life in negative way, then only should these movies considered bad for you. Note, I am not a professional or licensed doctor, so if you're having trouble sleeping at night because one of these movies, I suggest you speak with a doctor.
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December 31, 2008 12:48 AM
I think that there is something to this theory (which if I read the article correctly is about romantic comedies I believe, so not sure the Time article title is precise). Romantic comedies probably do exacerbate problems with false conceptions about relationships.

The answer, however, is better education, rather than eliminating romantic comedies. And certainly screenwriters could use some informing as well as the general public.

I think I would like to point out though that romance is inherently irrational and instead is a mainly emotional or subconscious experience. So it might be the case that misconceptions about relationships simply show up as rationalizations or more palatable explanations for difficult underlying problems as much or more than they are real causes.

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December 31, 2008 01:01 AM
I think that if one's basis for the nature of how relationships really work comes from romance films, soap operas or novels, then there will definitely be trouble in that person's relationships. Sure, most romance stories in general are based on happily ever after, but anyone who has ever been in a real relationship should be able to compare reality to the fantastical version and see a major difference.

I think it's fascinating that science keeps coming up with all this evidence and statistics about things like how horror and violent films "cause" people to behave more violently, and now romance movies are "bad" for relationships.

As long as there are no other influences in a person's life to show them that there is more to life than what they see in movies, yeah, there will be problems. Maybe it would be better if we turned off the television more often and went out and experienced life first hand, we would have less expectation about what life itself was supposed to be like.
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December 31, 2008 02:08 AM
Popular film (films that, in literary terms I'll define as escapist from, rather than interpretive of the human condition) are meant as entertainment. This is true for any topic or genre. Am I supposed to assume that living in northern Alaska is particularly dangerous due to the events portrayed in 30 Days of Night? Or that somewhere in China there is a rotund panda practicing kung fu?

These are films meant to entertain us, not to provide us deep insight into the workings of the human mind or heart. They may contain a message, or several lessons, or they may be absolute fluff with no value other than exciting the various emotional responses we wanted to have excited in choosing to see them.

There is also some suspicion in "misconceptions about love and romance" as a phrase. Does this imply the researchers and/or counselors have a "proper" or "correct" conception of love and romance? I think Ovid through Shakespeare and right up to Billy Collins would laugh themselves silly at such a notion. A clinical definition of love is perhaps the most significant contradiction I can think of.

Do romantic comedies help you become more sensitive, compassionate, empathetic, aware of your significant other's moods, feelings, desires, along with their faults, foibles, peccadilloes and idiosyncrasies? I suppose it's possible, but only by chance, and the opportunity to have shared experience. That shared experience is the most important thing in relationship building, and it has real value. If people are taking relationship advice from 50 First Dates, 40 Year Old Virgin or Knocked Up, then they need to think about where they are selecting ideas from, blame their own filters of common sense, not the movies that may have had no other goal than eliciting a few laughs, sighs, ohhs and ahhs.

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December 31, 2008 02:52 AM
Science _has_ taught us a lot about love and romance. In fact, here is a citation on a paper titled "Love; a clinical definition" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13236028 and I personally believe that this type of research is more substantially informative than Ovid and Shakespeare.

I also disagree with your derogation of 40 Year Old Virgin and Knocked Up, and lumping that one in with 50 First Dates is ludicrous. No, of course they should not take relationship advice from those movies but I think as far as movies depicting relationships go, I find those to be poor examples of movies to avoid. I actually think those movies may be somewhat insightful in certain ways especially when you compare them to many romantic comedies that have come before. So I think you might have picked on some much worse examples. All of that of course is not to say that those movies do not contain some misconceptions.

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December 31, 2008 04:03 AM
In social sciences such as those employed by the counselors referenced in the article, we are discussing arbitrarily assigned values of correct or appropriate behaviors. While many western ethnographers might be shocked or confused by native cannibalism practice in New Guinea and elsewhere, if those actions are considered appropriate within their cultural context, is the ethnographer's externally informed reaction (I won't assume they pass judgment) that this behavior is somehow "wrong" a correct assessment? Not according to the natives. This is not an article about hard science, it is a piece about the sociological (soft science) implications of the social experience of movie viewing, and the small group dynamics that may or may not engender.

Could you provide some detail on that paper you referred to? What you provided is a link only to a citation and not even an abstract of the content . I'd certainly be interested to see what's informative about it. Science, in the form of hard science like neurobiology, does indeed have quite a bit to say about what happens in the brain during certain moments identified by the subject as feelings of love or romantic emotion. But these are descriptions of slices of time and conditions describing the states of various parts of the limbic and endocrine systems. They do nothing to describe the social components (macro scope over much larger time versus micro scope over moments or minutes) or complications of a relationship. While describing love in terms of limbic cortical activation might be more informative for what is going on physically, it offers no information about the macroscopic aspects of social interaction.

I rather enjoyed all three films, and don't think I was pejorative toward them at all. I consider them all escapist however, so I wasn't looking for any insight into how people interact romantically or otherwise. At most I was looking for certain endocrine responses (like endorphin release), to put it in hard science terms. And they were not arbitrary choices, 50 First Dates took first place on its opening weekend at the box office (Valentine Day, when I saw it) http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/43028/50_first_dates_tops_weekend_box_office/
40 Year Old Virgin was also a top opener
http://www.hecklerspray.com/40-year-old-virgin-tops-us-weekend-box-office-chart/20051069.php
while Knocked Up was a runner up only because Pirates of the Caribbean 3 also opened that weekend http://www.filmsy.com/comedy/knocked-up-surprises-with-strong-box-office-opening/
As some of the most popular romantic comedies in their respective release weekends, they are equally representative for what the movie-going public is looking for.

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December 31, 2008 02:11 AM
Definitely, especially if you are a male. Women watch these movies and believe that only an "evolved male" like the kind in those movies, is good enough for them. In real life, men are human and don't have the privilege of having snappy, articulate words come from their mouths in order to make the females feel marvelous! And its tough enough to date when women have average guys to compare you too, try matching up to Tom Hanks in Sleepless in Seattle or Patrick Swayzee in Dirty Dancing!
Overall, movies are just entertainment and shouldn't be vilified but the dreck of romantic movies makes this world harder to live in and not nearly as much fun as it should be.

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December 31, 2008 05:04 AM
I think some of the recent romantic comedies are dealing with relationships in more genuine and messy/gritty ways (ie, Juno, especially, and 40 Year Old Virgin does this even in it's silly and hilarious context.)

I do think we are influenced by the images we see in popular culture; we all know real life isn't like that, but then again, do we? Popular romantic comedies rarely depict an ongoing romance. Falling in love under the stars on a boat is all very well (see John Tucker Must Die, hilarious I just watched it on TV this break), but what do you actually talk about? What are the actual things you connect over?

Some movies do a better job of echoing reality, if in a Hollywood and comedic manner, but most seem to be more vapid or merely pretty depictions.

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