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Tricky question: probably NONE. You'd speak Latin within a close circle of intellectuals. Italian is a modern language and by the time there were hundreds of dialects all over what is now Italy. You'd speak a dialect that probably would be dead by now.
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And people off the mainland spoke Sicilian.
This was about the time of the Italian Renaissance and france was branching back out tword western Europe .
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Source: National Geographic magazine Volume XXXIV
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language#History
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"With the formal unification of Italy in 1861, the Tuscan dialect of the Italian tongue became the official language of the Italian nation. The appearance of a collective Italian dialect signified the unification that took place among Italians at this time, which was also evident in Italy's political scene, educational system, and economy. " (3)
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(1) http://www.aboutflorence.com/history-of-Florence.html
(2) http://www.alsintl.com/languages/Italian.shtml
(3) http://www.lifeinitaly.com/italian/language-history.asp
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You'd definitely be speaking some form of Italian over Latin.
As far as I can tell, Latin pretty quickly became a "dead" language, and wasn't really spoken as the lingua-franca much past the Roman Empire.
1. "Medieval Latin was the form of Latin used in the Middle Ages, primarily as a medium of scholarly exchange and as the liturgical language of the medieval Roman Catholic Church, but also as a language of science, literature, law, and administration. " (Wikipedia)
2. This was smack dab in the middle of Machiavelli's time too. 3.Getting a book of his, which provides the original latin as well as translation, would give you a decent starting point to what they were really speaking in Florence at that time.
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1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin
2. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/354571/Niccolo-Machiavelli
3. http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Political-Writings-Niccolo-Machiavelli/dp/08...
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The bottom line is, even if the lingua franca in the cancellaries was still latin, we know that the masses were speaking very different dialects in different geographical areas. Due to the lack of written documents, it is hard to find exactly what it was, but most likely it was very differnt from both what we know as Latin and what we know as Italian.
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The 1500s and 1600s saw a renewal of the Italian language. While Latin survived in the Universities and in medicine, the smaller, more specialized academies, (which taught things such as poetry and mathematics), used the vernacular. Great works began to be formally translated and published in Italian. It was a time of relative political stability, although trade, travel, and migration were rampant, obviously taking their toll on the 'purity' of a single dialect. It was also a period of widespread bilingualism. Many knew Spanish, as it was a superpower of the time. New products from the New World called for new words. People began to write dictionaries of the 'new' language. "
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http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/Italian2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine#Language
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I think the best answer would be, what was the "Official language" of the upper classes in 16th Century Florence, like the Medici Family, the answer is "Florantine" which basically became Italian.
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http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/Italian2.html
http://books.google.ca/books?id=69ey6Z-05fMC&pg=PA840&lpg=PA840&...
http://galileo.rice.edu/gal/florence.html
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http://www.the-chimaera.com/January2008/Trans/Evans.html
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So unless your parents were from elsewhere, you'd be speaking Toscano Dialetto. And if you were lucky enough to have been educated, you could probably read Latin and could probably even make some sense of Mass, but you wouldn't be using it every day unless you were a lawyer or a priest.
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My degree in Medieval and Renaissance Literature
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December 17, 2008 07:32 PM
If I lived in the city-state Florence in 1503, what language would I speak? Italian? Latin?
It's not entirely clear to me what the lingua franca of post-Empire, medieval Italy was. I'm guessing the answer is something in between: a derivative of Vulgar Latin, still evolving into what we know today as Italian, but I can't seem to verify it anywhere.
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• Going to have to give it up for Pescina this time around. He was first and quite vociferous on this question (even in comments on other answers).
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December 17, 2008 07:43 PM
So I'd be multi-lingual?
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December 17, 2008 07:46 PM
No, it would depend on your social class. Most likely, you'd speak lingua toscana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscan_dialect
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carriep
December 17, 2008 07:51 PM
I think you've hit the nail on the head with Lingua_Toscana.
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pescina
December 17, 2008 09:43 PM
Perhaps you'd be "multi-lingual" in a Salvatore kind of way, like in "The Name of the Rose", with a barely intelligible mixture of Latin, vulgar Latin and newborn Romance languages. But I bet it would be Tuscan. If you lived in the city-state of Florence in 1503, would you be rich, poor, a monk, a soldier or what?
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metrodorus
December 19, 2008 01:53 AM
If you went to school past primary, you would speak Latin. Pupils were caned for speaking anything other than Latin in the school premises. This was common right across Europe until the mid 1700's. If you went to University, all the lectures and conversations would have been in Latin. Galileo lectured in Latin, for example. There is a free online audio course, aimed at providing a 'facsimile' of such an immersive Latin education, so if you, too, want to actually learn how to speak Latin as well as a renaissance intellectual, you can do it, using Latinum http://latinum.mypodcast.com The project would take you about 4 - 5 years of intensive effort - no longer than to learn any 'modern' language.
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December 17, 2008 07:35 PM
If you lived in florence in the 1500's the majority of the population spoke french/italian. And people off the mainland spoke Sicilian.
This was about the time of the Italian Renaissance and france was branching back out tword western Europe .
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Source: National Geographic magazine Volume XXXIV
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December 17, 2008 07:40 PM
"No image available". ¿Could you textually cite the reference, please?
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December 17, 2008 07:45 PM
I meant textually citing, as when you add text without altering it and then adding the reference, not just citing the reference alone.
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December 17, 2008 07:47 PM
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http://www.gjenvick.com/Periodicals/1918-08-NationalGeographicMagazine.html
Only gives titles and summaries of the Volume. Cannot determine which article the citation is from.
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December 17, 2008 07:57 PM
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"Protestant and all spoke Flemish or Frisian. The southern provinces were industrial and Roman Catholic and a large majority of the people spoke french."
Not sure why that link doesn't work for you guys.
It's straight from google labs reader.
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Not sure why that link doesn't work for you guys.
It's straight from google labs reader.
December 17, 2008 08:17 PM
Sure you're not making a national geographical mistake? Flemish was spoken in Belgium and some parts of France I think. Dante had already written his Comedy by 1503, so Tuscan was on the rise (it was already the proto-Italian). The French did invade that part of Italy but I doubt many people spoke French (maybe traitors did).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish
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December 17, 2008 08:20 PM
I'll agree to disagree here , this was at the time of Machiavelli and the end of christopher columbus and i still think allot of people spoke french and italian moreover than latin.
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December 17, 2008 08:27 PM
Indeed, Latin was more studied than spoken by then. Although some people, like Montaigne, DID speak Latin.
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December 17, 2008 08:38 PM
I completely agree with you , however we have to take into account the shear wealth of france and the revolutions and treks of Christopher Columbus stretched all over the globe.
People from france where also scattered all over that immediate area.
And i completely agree that latin was mostly utilized for writing and due process proceedings .
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People from france where also scattered all over that immediate area.
And i completely agree that latin was mostly utilized for writing and due process proceedings .
December 17, 2008 10:09 PM
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Columbus helped spread Spanish all over the Western Hemisphere, not French. The French weren't even allowed to enter Spanish territory, which was literally half of the Earth by then. That's way they became pirates and had hard time gaining territory in the Americas.
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December 17, 2008 07:36 PM
It's likely that the common parlance would be Italian, but there still may have been quite a large population of Latin speakers during that time. Italian was 'formalized' as a language in the 1300s, but modern Italian language has been found in texts as far back as the 10th century.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language#History
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December 17, 2008 07:39 PM
Neither, it looks like it would be Tuscan! "With the formal unification of Italy in 1861, the Tuscan dialect of the Italian tongue became the official language of the Italian nation. The appearance of a collective Italian dialect signified the unification that took place among Italians at this time, which was also evident in Italy's political scene, educational system, and economy. " (3)
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(1) http://www.aboutflorence.com/history-of-Florence.html
(2) http://www.alsintl.com/languages/Italian.shtml
(3) http://www.lifeinitaly.com/italian/language-history.asp
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December 17, 2008 07:52 PM
Should have read this before I posted. I think you and pescina have got it more precisely than I do.
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December 17, 2008 07:42 PM
You're writing a novel, aren't you? You'd definitely be speaking some form of Italian over Latin.
As far as I can tell, Latin pretty quickly became a "dead" language, and wasn't really spoken as the lingua-franca much past the Roman Empire.
1. "Medieval Latin was the form of Latin used in the Middle Ages, primarily as a medium of scholarly exchange and as the liturgical language of the medieval Roman Catholic Church, but also as a language of science, literature, law, and administration. " (Wikipedia)
2. This was smack dab in the middle of Machiavelli's time too. 3.Getting a book of his, which provides the original latin as well as translation, would give you a decent starting point to what they were really speaking in Florence at that time.
Source(s):
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin
2. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/354571/Niccolo-Machiavelli
3. http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Political-Writings-Niccolo-Machiavelli/dp/08...
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December 17, 2008 08:32 PM
Please take into account as well the french revolutions (not to be confused with the "french revolution") at the time as well as Christopher Columbus's treks and french traders that where scattered threw out that part of the world at that time.
French speaking conquistadors, friars, traders, and more over wealthy people all lived in what we now know as Italy at the time.
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French speaking conquistadors, friars, traders, and more over wealthy people all lived in what we now know as Italy at the time.
December 17, 2008 07:48 PM
Immediately after the collapse of the Roman Empire, the language in its former provinces evolved separately. Some provinces never adopted Latin in the first place, like in most of the provinces in the east where the helenisitc influence was stronger. In some of provinces the Latin speakers were later outnumbered by the barbarians. In the rest of the provinces, the languages evolved separately and the fragmentation was at a smaller scale than the present day division in 5 main romance languages. For example, in Spain every province had its own dialect, quite different from each other and only later the Castillian imposed as the main language. In France, there was a similar situation and only later the northern dialect became dominant. In Italy, for example, even now if you go to Sardinia you will find people speaking a hard to understand dialect even if you know Italian. In the east, only later the southern Transylvania speach became the official Romanian language, with isolated groups still speaking other Romanian dialects in the Balkans from nothern Greece to Istria. The bottom line is, even if the lingua franca in the cancellaries was still latin, we know that the masses were speaking very different dialects in different geographical areas. Due to the lack of written documents, it is hard to find exactly what it was, but most likely it was very differnt from both what we know as Latin and what we know as Italian.
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December 17, 2008 07:54 PM
"The 1400s slowed the rising of the Tuscan vernacular, however, as Europe experienced a great humanistic influence. This social current lead men to admire and imitate the writers of the Antiquities, which meant a resurgence of Latin. The question was still on the minds of the people and scholars, as there was a lack of linguistic uniformity. The 1500s and 1600s saw a renewal of the Italian language. While Latin survived in the Universities and in medicine, the smaller, more specialized academies, (which taught things such as poetry and mathematics), used the vernacular. Great works began to be formally translated and published in Italian. It was a time of relative political stability, although trade, travel, and migration were rampant, obviously taking their toll on the 'purity' of a single dialect. It was also a period of widespread bilingualism. Many knew Spanish, as it was a superpower of the time. New products from the New World called for new words. People began to write dictionaries of the 'new' language. "
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http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/Italian2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine#Language
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December 17, 2008 08:06 PM
Florence was a crossroads in Europe for several centuries, and I would not be surprised if Latin, French and and Italian were common in the city, along with other languages. I think the best answer would be, what was the "Official language" of the upper classes in 16th Century Florence, like the Medici Family, the answer is "Florantine" which basically became Italian.
Source(s):
http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/Italian2.html
http://books.google.ca/books?id=69ey6Z-05fMC&pg=PA840&lpg=PA840&...
http://galileo.rice.edu/gal/florence.html
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December 17, 2008 08:16 PM
Around 1300 Marco Polo dictated his famous memoirs, and the first mss was in French, we are certain of that (the rest has been obviously translated) One of the 1st copies is at the Louvre in Paris. By 1500 it had been translated in many languages, including Latin and Italian. Medieval French and Italian had a different dialect (or at least pronunciation) every 10 miles (still had when I was young, way before Europeans had TVs).
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December 17, 2008 08:55 PM
ITALIAN ACCORDING TO THIS WEBSITE http://www.the-chimaera.com/January2008/Trans/Evans.html
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December 17, 2008 09:01 PM
Interestingly enough, what you'd speak would be very close to modern Italian, at least if you were living in or near Florence. This is partly because the Medici were so influential in all areas of culture and the economy, and partly because of the widespread popularity of Dante's Divine Comedy, which was written in the Tuscan dialect about 200 years before the period about which you're asking. The dialect became the standard for written Italian, and influenced spoken Italian as well. So unless your parents were from elsewhere, you'd be speaking Toscano Dialetto. And if you were lucky enough to have been educated, you could probably read Latin and could probably even make some sense of Mass, but you wouldn't be using it every day unless you were a lawyer or a priest.
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