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Is Malik Nadal Hasan a terrorist?

Think he's just a random crazy guy, or does the religious nature of the attack make it an act of terrorism?
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buddawiggi | 2 years, 6 months ago
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Right now he is just an accused man. When he is charged as a terrorist and convicted of terrorism he will be a terrorist according to US law.

Religion is part of the decision but not a deciding factor. Intent or the appearance of intention will decide.

US Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 113B § 2331 says the definition of "domestic terrorism" is as follows.

~quote
18 U.S.C. § 2331 : US Code - Section 2331

(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.
~endquote
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/113B/2331

It is quite clear that section (A) and section (C) have been violated so the remaining issue is intent.(section B)

(i) Did he ~appear to intend to intimidate or coerce a civilian population?

(ii) Did he ~appear to intend to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion?
~~ OR~~
(iii) Did he ~appear to intend to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping?

If the answer is (Yes) to any or all of the above three questions then he is by US law a terrorist. Notice the usages of the words "appear to" and "or" in the above stated US code. these make the issue of intent easier to prove because the court will only need to see that it *appeared* he had these intentions not that he actually did or not.

This (my) answer to a similar question goes into additional detail

Be sure to read the below blog posting from Anwar al-Awlaki the known terrorist Major Hasan has had communication with.

Nadal Hasan Did the Right Thing

This posting is dated November 9th below is a quote from this posting.
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"Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people...The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges."
~endquote

In my understanding (I am not a lawyer) Major Nidal Hasan would quite easily be proven a terrorist.

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buddawiggi | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

@drivel I agree and I really wish he would just be tried for 13 horrible and premeditated murders in Texas as a civilian. I think Texas has the right idea with what to do with people who commit horrific acts such as murder.

I believe it is unfortunate that we have to waste mental resources (and others) on an discussion about what Hasan is and is not.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/annual.htm
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/ig/Texas-Death-Row-Inmates/

I just wanted to be clear as to how fine the line can be when determining what is and is not terrorism with an accurate description of the law and the definition of terrorism.
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terrorism2002_2005.htm

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drivel | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

He has not been charged with terrorism and it is likely he won't be.

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victoria_reid | 2 years, 6 months ago
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Yes.

Whether he is a rogue acting alone, or part of a much bigger organization, this was an act of terrorism. Remember the Unibomber? No religion there - but a terrorist extraordinaire.

Doesn't matter of Malik or Ted were crazy, it's still terrorism, cut and dried. Even if Malik was conducting his own personal Gihad, abhorred by fellow Muslims in this capacity, or whatever the voices told him, he is a terrorist.

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albanian | 2 years, 6 months ago
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No. There is a distinction to be made between a Jihadist, no matter how evil and violent, and a terrorist. The current news reports clearly indicate that Hasan is a traitor, a murderer, and a Jihadist. However, he attacked soldiers, a military target. Even though they were caught unarmed and defenseless, this is still an act of regular guerrilla warfare.

In contrast, a terrorist is someone who attacks civilians with the intent of spreading terror and thereby overthrowing or otherwise influencing a government.

When Jihadists explode a device versus one of our military vehicles, that is guerrilla warfare. When they set off bombs in the marketplace to kill civilians that is terrorism. It is not the religious motivation that is the distinction but the target. He should be executed under the laws that apply to soldiers who desert to the enemy and bear arms against their countrymen.

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blusie | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

He did attack soldiers but - there is a distinction to be made because they were unarmed soldiers who were for all intents and purposes in civilian circumstances.

I understand the legal distinctions but really, those are just semantics. What he did was a cowardly act of terror - like a bully in a schoolyard.

I hope he doesn't get the death penalty, I hope he lives out many many years in his well deserved paralysis.

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albanian | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

I have been making this distinction on targets for a long time, certainly not everyone agrees. However, I think that real terrorism, murdering civilians for psychological effect, is such a heinous crime that it should not be diluted by confusion with other, more military crimes.

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drivel | 2 years, 6 months ago
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What Malik did was commit murder. Whether or not his murders are terrorism is dependent upon his motivation. If he killed people because for example because he hates everyone in the military that is okay, but if he killed the people because he did not want they to go to Iraq than that is considered terrorism. We do not have sufficient information at this time on his motivation to so whether or not he was a terrorist.

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scrap iron | 2 years, 6 months ago
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He's a jihadist. He had SoA (Soldier of Allah) on his business cards. He said it was OK for Muslims to kill Americans. He said he was a Muslim first. He tried to recruit soldiers for Allah at Walter Reed and tried to get US soldiers tried for war crimes. He was posting pro-terrorist rants on a terrorist websit and was trying to contact Al Qaeda.

And the act he committed is clearly a violent act of terror. So yes, he's an Islamofascist terrorist.

And the military knew aobut him and did nothing. Now 14 people are dead. (One of teh women was pregnant, and I'm using the Conor Peterson principle to count the child.)

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bigshotprof | 2 years, 6 months ago
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No. He is not. The general definition of a terrorist is that he or she employs violence as political expression and/or in order to overtax a political system--i.e. increase panic, social unrest, etc. This guy just snapped the way we read about people who go back to jobs from which they have been fired, schools where they have been bullied or the homes of ex-in-laws and create havoc. Recent bombings of abortion clinics, assassinations of doctors, shootings of State Police officers and judges by Christian Identity and Posse Commitatus members are regularly defined as aberrations and random acts of violence, because they are committed by people who call themselves Christians. None of those incidents have been defined as domestic terror. We are only having this discussion, because he declared himself a follower of Islam.

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jedilarryb | 2 years, 6 months ago
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As more background information is released on this man, the more two things become clearer: 1) Our increasingly PC military (and government) failed miserably; and 2) Malik Nadal Hasan is a traitor and terrorist conspirator who used the cover of his position to carefully plan his attack. So, to answer your question: Oh, Hell Yes!

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