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Is it possible the Russians discovered Noah's Ark and dismantled it?

Could Iran and Russian have dismantled Noah's ark?
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bugsi | 2 years, 6 months ago
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No, because there was no such thing as Noah's Ark.

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davepamn | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

Come on Bugsi, you have been following my questions on Noah's ark.

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

Which is easier to prove: that something does not exist or that something does exist? When do you say, I don't have to prove that I exist? My purpose is to exist. The same goes for Noah's ark. If there is zero evidence of an Ark then I say I can't find evidence. However, if evidence is being found then I say there must be the possibility that it exists.

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bugsi | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

Still just not seeing how this gives any credibility to Noah's ark. 50 years isn't such a long time ago, 50 years ago was only 1960, and transportation is still pretty much gasoline powered cars, trucks, busses, trains, airplanes, and the occasional boat. No signs at all of electromagnetic flying vehicles in the future that I can see.

It's been 38 years since a human walked on the moon. Since then, man hasn't gone beyond low Earth orbit. I'm not seeing a trip to stars any time soon. (Proxima Centauri is 4.2 years away at light speed. The fastest spacecraft ever was Helios 1 and 2, at 252792 km/h, it would take them 18,063 years to reach Proxima Centauri. I'm not seeing manned spaceflight to the stars as a reasonable prediction.)

It's been 14 years since the last traditional fission nuclear power plant went online in the USA. No credible sign of a fusion plant going online in 50 years that I see. Maybe we'll get some solar thermal plants at best?

Robots already build our cars and pretty much everything else. Visit an assembly plant sometime.

We know more about disease and fighting it than ever before, but heart disease remains the number one killer of humans, responsible for around half of all deaths. Lots of cancer remains uncured. But many diseases indeed have been virtually eliminated in modern societies. (Smallpox, Polio, etc.) -I agree that medical advances may go farther than anything else in 50 years.

Speciation by human-applied bioengineering has been and will continue happening all the time. Check out Monsanto.

Denver is already in the sky. So are the tops of a bunch of buildings in Dubai. Hope they don't get the next earthquake!

Anyway, it still doesn't help Noah and his boat be any more realistic. If you were going to build a giant barge to hold a pair of animals of every species (presuming they're all in frozen suspension and don't need to eat each other), you'd have one big frigging barge, and the tensile strength of gopherwood just isn't going to cut it. Not to mention sealing it up with pitch is a rather amazing Biblical anachromism, since pitch takes millions to hundreds of millions of years to be produced naturally from decomposed plants and animals, kind of negates the rest of the Biblical account of sub-10,000 year old creation; Just another good reason to leave Biblical stories to nutballs who are into that sort of thing. Sure, maybe there really was an immaculate conception, but I can think of a much more likely explanation for how a woman got pregnant.

-I'm just sayin'.

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

In fifty years we will seem like Noahs ark. They will look at our time and snicker.

50 years
1. We will have fusion reactors that will propel man to nearby stars
2. We will have electromagnetic flying vehicles
3. Robots will do all manual labor and most technical work
4. Most disease will be cured by molecular surgery and nanobots
5. The number species may increase as the new forms of bioengineering are applied
6. There will be a city in the sky
7. Hydrogen and fusion will produce near unlimited power

humm, "Cave man!"

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bugsi | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

That's really kind of nutball logic though. If we applied that to everything, well then the possibility of *anything* exists. You could say with the same level of confidence that not only did Noah's Ark exist, but the possibility exists that it was made out of titanium and powered by an on-board nuclear reactor. -I mean, titanium mining exists, as do metal-hulled ships, as do nuclear powered ships, -so other than a little bit of technological progress to get in the way, Noah could have had a space-age nuclear powered ark filled with dinosaurs. -Sure, the possibility exists. The possibility exists that the law of gravity as we know it is just an observation, and that tomorrow it will completely reverse and we'll all float away. -But realistically, this is pretty damned far fetched. Other than the allegorical story of Noah in the Bible, there's no particular reason that a guy named Noah ever lived at all, let alone had a thing for shipbuilding and animal herding. (With only 2 of every animal on board, whatever the lions ate became instantly extinct, right?) -Look, the Bible is full of horsecrap, it tells you that you can treat leprosy by dipping a bird in the blood of another bird and letting it fly away. -Not exactly a treatment supported by modern antibiotic science. Seriously, what's your fascination with Noah and his mythical ark? Why latch on to one of the most ridiculous and obviously allegorical stories of the Christian Bible, and have some need for it to be true? Can't you accept that the Bible is a horrible -absolutely one of the WORST- sources of historical information you could pick to find something to search for? With REAL archaeology happening every day (check out the recent discovery of the OVER 4000 YEARS OLD tomb of Egyptian queen Behenu), -why, for the love of everything WHY- do you pick Noah's ark? You'd have better odds looking for Jack's beanstalk or the leprechaun's pot of gold. Seriously, what's the fascination with mythical Noah and his hand-built wooden boat filled with all the animals of the planet? Why pick the most ridiculous thing ever, and look for evidence for it? I don't get it.

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davepamn | 2 years, 2 months ago Report

The accelerating change into the future will make the past seem more unfeasible. We look to the past in disbelief because in our own frame of reference reality has changed.

I can't image traveling by horse and bugsi, buggy. People traveled in the past in this manner and scrubbed their clothes clean using muscle power. The past does not seem believable because it is out context with the current. Noah ark does not seem possible because we think of survival on Yachts and super cargo ships and diesel engines.

If reality is a function of brain power, computational capability, and energy the expect change into the future to become faster and more significant.

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