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1 year, 12 months ago

If you had $10,000, which of these would you do?

I have a little stock purchase plan that exists outside of my 401K and savings, in which I place 10% of my income. The stock purchase plan, presuming no increase or decrease in stock value, yields around 10K of liquid cash per year. I typically cash the money out at the end of the year since it is more of a no-strings-attached savings plan (that gains 5% by default) that I can blow on anything without feeling bad. What do you think I should do with the money at the end of the year?

Here are some ideas:

1) Invest in my tiny business (I have a small online t-shirt business that only offers ONE shirt but does rather well. I've thought of adding shirt designs, but it is around $200 per design to add new designs, and it is a big risk if nobody like the designs, but a good return if they sell).

2) Buy a website or a few websites that have a history of generating income (on flippa)

3) Pay towards my car (I owe $18,000 and the percentage rate is pretty bad because of prior bad credit, I think like 11%)

4) Other?

Note - I don't have credit card debt, just the car and an upside down house.
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victoria_reid | 1 year, 12 months ago
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All the money management tips I've ever heard prioritize getting out of debt. If you put the $10,000 toward your car, there are a LOT of incentives out there right now. Dealerships want to sell cars. Anyway, if you only have $8,000 left to pay off, you can indeed negotiate your re-fi on the vehicle. It changes all those ratios and should greatly improve your interest rate. I would shop around and see if there is a third party who is willing to take care of the deal - could be a dealership with in-house financing, perhaps not. With the money you are saving on the car - ballbark figure say $200/month? (I have nothing to base this on. Just a model.) Take your old payment, subtract your new payment, and find out how much you save per month. Be consistent about putting that money elsewhere and here's where your other plans come in.

I really would prioritize the car. Next, I would take the $200 per month (again, guessing) and then do one of several things... go ahead and invest, but limit yourself to the $200 per month. You can buy more stock or experiment with the T-Shirt Designs, or buy websites. The trick is to spend money to save money - that would be the $10,000 for the car. Side benefit - after you renegotiate, ask the lender to help with that credit situation. Critically important.

That's a drag about the house - I presume you were stuck with a Short Sale or Foreclosure. Hope you fare better with your car negotiations!
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victoria_reid | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

Thank you so much! From the heart - been there. Hope it's all uphill from here. Best of luck!

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opher | 1 year, 12 months ago
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I'd split the amount between (1) increasing the investment portfolio, possibly as a higher return (and thus higher risk) diversification, (2) invest in the business ($200 or even $400 out of $10,000 is a tiny fraction so the impact if it fails is minimal), and (3) pay down the car loan.

In fact, if you can do so, it may make sense to cash out $18,000 right away from your savings plan and pay off the car loan. You can then divert your current car loan payments to paying back your savings. Consider that the return on paying off the loan early is 11% with 0 risk, while the return on your savings plan is only 5%. Once you've completely paid off the $18,000 you cashed out, you can add the monthly payment to the 10% of your income you currently devote to your savings/investments.

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imogenrayne | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

This is what I would of suggested, but i would also suggest spending a little on a vacation. Not much, just enjoy life while you can!

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opher | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

Not sure what you mean by the comment, but hopefully that was an enthusiastic endorsement of the usefulness of my answer :). If not, please elaborate and let me know what you'd like me to expand on.

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mrnemo | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

I really do like your suggestions, but 1) there is no portfolio, really, just the stock purchase plan, and it is obviously all in one stock that bounces all over the place, so it is already higher risk but a blue chip stock that will almost certainly maintain its value or be worth more at the end of the year. 2) I agree that the money invested in the shirts is minimal, and I should cap this investment amount 3) I do not have the savings to pay the car off. I favor your response, however.

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Holy ... wow.

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rdmcurator | 1 year, 12 months ago
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In my opinion, you could put it into your car, refi your loan with a better interest rate on a shorter term and come out a lot faster on debt. Unless you have your eye on a t-shirt design that you think would do equally well, both options 1 and 2 do not guarantee you the return paying off your debt will.

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kpatin | 1 year, 12 months ago
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I would invest in my business. The reason being if you can grow what seems to be a solid income, you will more than triple the $10,000. If you pay towards your car ( which is a good thing) you will still owe $8,000 and the money is gone.
I just think if you invest in your growing business you will shortly have the money needed to do all the other things.

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garyallen | 1 year, 12 months ago
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Pay towards the car and invest. Website speculating won't bring you much--a site I'd signed up for but never purchased from was very active and it just closed.

As for investing money in ther business, let me give you the same advice I just gave a friend: DON'T STOCK ANYTHING. Unless it's a handbeaded design that you're creating, there are places like cafepress.com or spreadshirt.com which will host a store entirely free and produce the items on-demand. Not a penny invested by you except your time, and they give you a base price and you set the profit.

I did it as a joke many years ago, and my (then) wife bought a mousepad with my name on it, and a frie

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mrnemo | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

I agree but there is a quality control issue with cafe press, very little profit margin (like $3), and the end price for customers is very high (generally $24-29 for a high quality shirt). By purchasing stock, I can offer higher quality shirts, sell them for $15, and STILL make almost $10 per shirt. I also have much more control over quality by using high definition vectors and a local shop that I can hold accountable for any issues... I guess it is simply a risk to benefit ratio, but I definitely see your reasoning.

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kwikpayday | 1 year, 11 months ago
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I suggest you spend on your business and car loan. The former will yield you profit, since not all people would dislike all designs. The latter will reduce car debt.

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chemist | 1 year, 12 months ago
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What do you think I should do with the money at the end of the year?

Here are some ideas:

I think, the following option is the best (though I'm not a financial expert) as you have stated:

1) Invest in my tiny business (I have a small online t-shirt business that only offers ONE shirt but does rather well. I've thought of adding shirt designs, but it is around $200 per design to add new designs, and it is a big risk if nobody like the designs, but a good return if they sell).

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skristoff | 1 year, 12 months ago
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If it were me, I'd take $1000 and put it towards your business, and put the balance towards your car loan. Until you pay off that car loan, all of your investments have to make more than 11% for you to break even there.

As for the t-shirt business, maybe do a poll of your current customers, maybe have 3-5 designs and have them vote for the design they like best?

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Owls | 1 year, 9 months ago
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Invest in income producing property. In this case your money making business. It will pay off your car for you. You might want to sell that car, and invest that also in your business if it is already making money.
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Owls | 1 year, 8 months ago Report

If you want to try investing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM37SywX08E

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wmcduff | 1 year, 12 months ago
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Debt reduction, and since the car is probably the highest percentage, pay down that. Remember, a reduction on debt is with after tax dollars, while investments are before tax. So, for example, if you make $1000, your net is $800 or less, usually. If you pay down $1000, you save the full $1000, plus any interest payments you don't have to make.

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kareul | 1 year, 12 months ago
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First you should refinance the car so you could get a lower monthly payment and lower interest rate. You can then get help for your upside down mortgage situation. You need to get involve in a Principal Balance Reduction program which is very effective for people in your situation. The principal balance will reduce principal and the interest of your home. Reducing your financial burden will improve your productivity.If you are stress about your finances how can you be your best at your business. After taking care of finances then invest in your tiny business.

http://www.lendingtree.com/auto-loans/advice/refinancing-a-car-loan/how-to-get-a-car-refinance-loan/
http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Upside-Down-Mortgage-Holders-Have-Another-Option-Besides-Short-Sales?&id=3550934

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mrnemo | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

Unfortunately, my mortgage company laughed at me when I tried to negotiate anything, and when trying to refinance my car, I learned that I owe more than it is worth, and therefore (like the house) nobody will touch it unless I have a good deal less than the value. Perhaps if I put the $10K toward the car, I could refinance it.

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mrnemo | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

Unfortunately I have always paid my payments on time and have no plans to stop, so there is little I can do at this point, from what I know.

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kareul | 1 year, 12 months ago Report

mrnemo my friend is in a similiar or maybe worst position than you with her home . She has not paid her mortgage since 2008 and she got involve in this mortgage reduction program https://www.naca.com/index_main.jsp and her mortgage interest reduced and her monthly mortgage reduced by $2,000.

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