If it was proven that President Obama was born in Africa and not the USA ,would you want him removed ASAP?
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McCain was born in Panama in 1936, a year before Congress passed a law that grants natural born citizenship status to all born in the Canal Zone retroactive to 1904. The fact that the word retroactive is in the law would seem to make it a non issue, but this idea was actually kicked around by some that disfavored a McCain candidacy early on.
As far as Obama is concerned, he was born in Hawaii in 1961, making him a natural born citizen the second that he emerged from his mother's womb. Now, if by some bizarre form of family intrigue he was not, then the way the law was set at the time, even though his mother was an American, he would not be considered a natural born citizen, What then? A political, constitutional and governmental nightmare would ensue. If that were ever to be proven judicially, while he is in office or even after leaving office, that should render any executive order or bill signed into law by him null and void.
The mechanism for this to happen would require proving it before a judicial body and navigating it through all of the appeals, probably up to the Supreme Court. I imagine the issue would be statutory, meaning it would merely affirm or negate the assertion. If affirmed he would simply seize all presidential functions effective as of that moment, if he were still in office at that time. As far as culpability, intent, prior knowledge, etc, all that which constitute criminality of the action, that would have to be ironed out in other proceedings.
I feel reasonably sure that his citizenship status is what he claims, but if it were not, regardless of the firestorm unleashed from such a Pandora's box, it would have to be opened and the resulting mess cleaned up.
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The second part is the key here. Birth to U.S. citizen parents. Regardless of WHERE the birth occurs.
For example, if your mother was pregnant with you and took a vacation trip to Europe, and while there she went into labor, you would not be a French / Italian / whatever citizen. You can be born out of the country and still be a US citizen.
All that being said, this is a strawman issue and is, in my opinion, the lowest level of mudslinging. With the thoroughness of the vetting process that takes place with candidates, do people honestly think something of this nature would be overlooked? To answer your question, NO.
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Tetigustas - There's no evidence at all that he WAS birthed outside of the U.S. In fact, there's no honest-to-goodness reason to even suspect he's lying--only wishful thinking by his political opponents.
So in this case a truth teller is still a truth teller...
Do you really believe that no other politician has ever lied? What if he's not lying? Will calling him a liar for four years do anything to move this country forward? Will it make you feel better? If it does, then you need to examine your own motives and prejudices.
Excellent response dsaldridge. You read my mind.
if he was birthed outside of the US by a citizen of the US, then why didn’t he just say so, why did he have to go through all the trouble to try and falsify his birth status...?
A liar is still a liar………..
Vice President Biden would be the acting President until President Obama was able to resume his duties. In order for that to happen, either the Supreme Court would have to reverse its decision or else a constitutional amendment would have to be passed and ratified eliminating the "natural born citizen" clause or redefining it to fit. This is long overdue, but only a crisis would ever get the amendment through Congress and enough state legislatures.
There is no question of a trial and no question of an arrest as no law would have been broken. Anyone can be elected President, but such a person can not serve as President. If such a person is elected they remain as President but the Vice President serves until they are enabled to serve.
Some right wing fanatics live in a strange and unpleasant fantasy world. Even if President Obama were not eligible to serve as President he was still elected and would remain President. Of course, he is eligible to serve as he is a citizen and was born in Hawaii. But if Arnold Schwartznegger were to run and be elected, he would be in the position of an elected President that the Supreme Court would probably rule could not serve. His Vice President would act as President until the Constitutional amendment was rushed though - which would happen to avoid a Constitutional crisis.
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M$once it was proved he misled the American people, it is the same as falsifying his birth certificate, its a forgery of his eligibility, if it was proven the Queen of England wasn’t rightfully the Queen would you want her removed ASAP!
It’s the same he hasn’t proved he is an American citizen by birth, he is still lying his rear-end off and misleading the world.
Because of the behaviours of previous presidents, the position has become a laughing stock, we need to be more proactive when it comes to holding politicians responsible for their actions.
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Misleading people is not reason to be removed from office. Otherwise most politicians would be removed. As it happens, he is a natural born citizen and has proven it. It is the birthers who are a laughing stock world wide.
president Obama has supplied a falsified birth record, it is obviously photo-shopped, so isn’t that a forgery and a disqualification of his eligibility. My answer isn’t a virulent animosity towards President Obama, he has intentionally mislead the people, I don’t blindly follow, I will keep my open mind to all probabilities, he is currently the president (currently) the commander and chief. I want proof of your intentions if you so choose to run for my presidential position its not just a beauty contest!
The details of the question make clear that the question is about the legal consequences of a President who does not fulfill the constitutional requirements. This answer has no bearing on the question and is merely virulent animosity towards President Obama.
I'd like to remind responders to this question that the "uninteresting" button is not supposed to be used to express disagreeing with an answer or question. Uninteresting should be used if say, the answer doesn't answer the question at all.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VUwmZjVU1s&feature=fvsr
It's the people that create the government. Anyone who qualifies to run as president esp. in America, I assume, has been properly investigated (In this case, does it mean that the US system in knowing its citizens has weakened?). Then why now? What took these birthers so long to reveal that Obama isn't qualified to become a president?
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The "birthers" have been talking about this since before he was elected, and even have had a case get as far as federal court. The case would have been dismissed as frivolous by a lower court had there been nothing at all to it. Apparently at least one higher judge thought the case had enough merit to hear it.
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The question is about the law.
Please remember the reason for the President to be natural born is that he would have the best interest of the USA at heart. So that he would not sympathize with other nations or compromise against the best interest of America.
Apologies, @albanian, I didn't read the rest of the question. Thank you for your input, @dsaldrige and @bklynj, I suppose when you look at it that way it would make sense. I still wouldn't reject Obama if he were proven African - he grew up mainly in the US, he will sympathize with his home country. Conversely, I spent a lot of my formative years living in European countries, and I'm still American at heart. It depends on how you're raised.
Racist? How is it racist? Nationalist, maybe, but not racist. We wouldn't let Henry Kissinger run for President, and he was brilliant, and served our country for most of his life. He just wasn't a natural born citizen, and that's the law.
I know when I am hungry I want someone to feed me .He does not have to be an American. I just want to be fed and right now I am starving for prosperity.
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Nobody asked whether you care, the question was about the law.
Whether a man follows the law is a good judgment of character, in my opinion. A President on his own would have to seize power he does not have in order to be responsible for free healthcare, or enacting any law without it going through the normal Congressional vote. If he seizes power and leaves Congress behind, then he would be a dictator.
Thousands of people died over 200 years ago so we could be one of the first countries ruled by law instead of the whims of a monarch or tyrant. To protect future generations from ever having to live through the horrors of a tyrant. No matter how charismatic a person is, you can't get blinded by it and throw away freedom for false prosperity. "Freedom" doesn't mean getting something for free, especially if that something first had to be taken away from my neighbor via compulsory taxes.
Actually, albanian, I think this question did very much ask about opinion...at least the first part of the question did. Would you *want* him removed immediately? I think the answerer did a nice job answering with an opinion.
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The Constitution requires a "natural born citizen" to perform the office of President. This has be interpreted (although not all the way to the Supreme Court) as having been born in the United States. This is a different issue than citizenship.
A child who is born overseas because his parents were in the military is still eligible to be President.
Natural born is at this point considered to be born of US parents as citizenship is considered those who come from other countries and get naturalized for the sake ogf this argument.
I've always thought it strange that Americans would automatically dismiss someone because they are not American. If they spent their first six months in another country and lived in America for the next 40/45 years they are not considered American. Yet some fool could be born in Texas and spend half his life partying around Europe and not be elected. It's a ridiculous requirement. Voters will pick the best candidate anyway.