If God made all things, how was God made?
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According to what is taught in the mainstream L.D.S church (there are two break-offs of it...not sure of their beliefs) we are put on this Earth for a 'probationary' period. How we live this life depends on what 'degree of heaven' we might obtain...Celestial, Telestial, or Terestial. It is the belief that Celestial is the highest and obtained if temple covenants are kept with marriage being one of them...if one makes it there....you have a chance to become...well basically a God yourself. You will have your spouse...children....etc. and a chance to create your own world. So, if subscribed to that view.....one could say that God once had his probationary period on Earth or some other planet at one time.....He had a family....and eventually grew to what He is now.....and the cycle repeats over and over and over.....That belief also leads to unanswered questions like How many worlds are out there? How big is this Universe? etc.
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M$Recent advances in math and physics have provided a scientific explanation of the origin of the universe so religions are now even more at a disadvantage, since they can't even explain the origins of their god.
Old time pagan religions used to claim their gods were born of older sets of gods. That, of course, just sets the story back a bit and leaves the same real problem.
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Your lack of a grasp of science becomes ever more evident. Please do not confuse natural selection and evolution. And don't claim that the only way to prove that the big bang happened is to do it again in the lab. If you were to get above a grade school education in science you would not even have these questions. The failure of the American education system can be no more better demonstrated than by your complete lack of knowledge of the essentials of science. Some people think it's ok to just be polite and say, right - believe what you want. I don't! When someone believes stuff that is not provable and says it's their religion, that is their right. But, if they go further and and claim that testable reality is not true, or is a matter of belief, then they must be called on it. There have been countless tests of natural selection, you can do it yourself with a quick breeding species like fruit flies. Any good high school lets their students test this themselves. It has also been recorded over and over in the wild. Similarly, evolution has been a proven fact for over a hundred years. The entire fabric of modern biology, chemistry, geology, and physics all combine to make evolution just plain fact, not something you get to choose to believe in or not.
@albanian, you say that through advances of science (math and physics) that religions are at a disadvantage. However I feel that the scientific explanation is just as improbable as the Christian one I personally subscribe to.
The theory that an almighty God created man in his image, and gave us dominion (which we have) over the Earth, is certainly easier to believe then the idea that some big huge bang which spontaneously created life all at once, and that through that life we all mutated into humans from a goo.
I dont think so. And if we are both right that just means the voice of God sounds like a huge bang. But I know in my own heart that God created Man, no other could be quite like man, and the survival of the fittest I dont think we needed since I think at conception (creation) we were the fittest.
I do however agree with the concept that God always existed, however through both schools of thought religious, and scientific we know that is not true. The earth did not always exist, the ball that became the earth did however, and either MY God created the Earth (my and many religions believe) or The big bang theory occured ( many scientist and atheists believe this concept.
But thank you for your answer.
@albanian
You say science is based primarily on repeatable observations, show me were the big bang was repeated to create life on a planet, show me how you create a human out of the same genetic gene pool as all other animals, and show me how science went about recreating those things and then I may agree with you.
Second, I dont base my theories on feeling, but research. I know there is no way that the scientific community could recreate the big bang theory, nor can they prove that it ever happened, it is a hypothesis that they want to be true but it is not. They have not shown through any test, any actual occurence, any test in a secret military setting that could prove that you could make a planet full of different species through a giant bang of any kind then a pool of genes would create every creature on earth, even those who dont even have similar DNA.
You would think that DNA science would prove that this is impossible but you have those who have no idea about the science they speak of who think it is still possible.
I also think it is wrong for a person to say that I dont know what I am talking about because there is no way to prove that I am wrong, cant stand that. If you knew your science (which was indeed easy for me) you would know that the theory is that a big bang created the Earth and that all life was created through a genetic pool through natural selection we mutated into human through a concept called survival of the fittest.
There is no way that this happened and no way for scientist to have recreated this process in order to prove it to be true, before telling someone they are wrong maybe you should actually research what you are saying, I have.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-big-bang-theory.htm
http://leiwenwu.tripod.com/primordials.htm
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/selection/selection.html
I don't know who you are quoting, you are not quoting my answer or comment. So I can't say if you are interpreting it right. I didn't say that God was created.
I did say that claiming God created the universe and then saying God doesn't need to be created is pointless. It explains nothing and just puts the beginning back a step. You might as well say the universe did not need to be created and keep things simpler.
@ silverhammer It was meant to say that I believe God existed, however through both science and creationist theories we know that the Earth did not. Did that fix it for you. Thank you for pointing that out someone may have gotten the wrong idea. I type fast, but not always accurate. God Bless
I disagree with the statement, "I do however agree with the concept that God always existed, however through both schools of thought religious, and scientific we know that is not true."
What scripture are you basing your belief on that God was created? Or did I misunderstand what I quoted?
I have no problem with the fact that God always was. Only man is limited to the concept of beginnings and endings. Time is our limitation, not God's.
I think you are missing something important here. While you certainly have the right to believe whatever you want, there is a huge difference betweeen using feelings and using repeatable observations to determine what is probable or improbable. Science is the basis of all modern technology, which you see around you and use everyday. It's that same science, that same scientific method, that is behind the math and physics that explain the history of the universe. There is nothing positive is saying something is easy to believe, science is hard for most people. Even science classes in school are often the most difficult. But you can't actually make things if you don't learn how.
Your brief overview of the science of the origins of the universe, of life, etc mainly shows that you are just about completely unaware of what those theories actually are or how they work. That means you are not really giving the two approaches (science and religion) a fair consideration because you have not studied the science.
The USA educational system has become so weak in science that the problem is widespread and we are rapidly falling behind other nations. You are not alone.
I might note that most religions do not insist on conflict with science. They all have faith in some untestable belief or other; but, most versions of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Shintoism do not attempt to contradict what science actually discovers. Only the fundamentalist denominations do that.
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You can't be outside a dimension. A dimension is a mathematical concept. A being which did not exist in time would by definition not exist.
A dimension is a man made mathematical concept, therefore if God does exist beyond dimensions it is because he is... and mathematical concepts cannot contain what he is, nor can anything our finite minds can come up with.
Albanian.....you have a gift at making a great debate. (That is a compliment...)
True there is no accounting for tastes.....
Your view is appreciated....perhaps admired.
But, I do not agree...still looking forward to your answers on future questions.
Yes most if not all religions can be called cults. The call, to me, is based upon such factors as how excessive they get about their notions. Some become overly engrossed in a particular form of worship, some get carried away being missionaries, some violently react to criticism. In this case its the elaborate weirdness of the beliefs that stand out. But, there's no accounting for tastes.
I didn't know they believed that. Gosh, it really is a cult! An exceedingly eccentric one at that. But your answer doesn't really address the question of where God came from because it just puts it back a degree. In other words, how did the first god get made in this scheme?
Albanian...true it does not explain how 'the first god' came into this scheme...but the latter part of the question was to explain the theory. Perhaps it is an eccentric religion...and even technically a cult. But, could all religions not be labeled that?