How to self-learn programing for OSX and iPhone?
What language should I learn? Python?
Any good guides?
I consider myself a smart smart user, with little experience with command line.
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Download the iPhone SDK, and go through the Coding How-To's and other resources there.
To me, coding is the easy part - coming up with great ideas is the hard part.
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I found the on-line materials on Apple's developer site to be lacking. I've found it difficult to learn Cocoa programming techniques and how to use Xcode.
I just picked up "Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X" by Aaron Hillegass. So far, it's been useful and starts you at the beginning, guides you through basic Objective-C and how to build interfaces. It also guides you through using the Xcode tools. It also seems to give a good basic understanding of object programming.
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M$ObejctC is for iPhone and OSX both..Python is not on iPhone..
Have you downloaded the iPhone SDK from Apple yet?
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Sorry for the delay was working on code.
I started at the age of 12 in mid 1970s when there were no tutorials or web to learn from. Seriously you have so damn easy now.
Best way to start is get on the iPhone forums and start asking questions..some inspiration reading does not hurt as well..read about Steve Woz and the homebrew club or Linus and Linux..
How did you first get into programing? Classes? Guides? I need to understand the basics.
You best be off learning Objective C, which is a mac specific programming language, I'm not proficient in it so I can't help you with that.
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Introduction
In September 1998, I asked the 44,000 members of the Apple EvangeList to help me start to program on my Macintosh. If you're haven't heard of the Evangelistas, it's a mailing list of pro-Mac info, software discounts, programming jobs and Windows nightmares (*snicker*) that we 4% never have to deal with. And as this page illustrates, those Mac nuts can be ever so helpful. To wit:
I received 184 responses, including programmers from Canada, England, Japan, New Zealand(!) and Vietnam(!!) (Wow, does EarthLink have a POP there??) My favorite was the Windows programmer who wants to write for Mac in his free time (you go, Matt! Woof, woof, woof!!)
Two initial pieces of advice became apparent:
1. Learn a language first, then learn the Mac Toolbox (the Mac-specific routines like the grow box in the corner of the window, etc.)
2. Get the latest documentation and books that you can. The Mac OS is a moving target; Apple is always tweaking and improving. A BIG case-in-point is OS X; Jobs asked for the elimination of the least-used 30% of the Toolbox "calls" to make the OS run faster and smoother.
Now, onward in our education!
Languages
Well, I guess I asked for it; I had forgotten how many different programming languages were out there! (There are actually over 100.) As one respondent said, "The more I learned about programming, the more my language of choice changed." Like anything, each one has its benefits and each its concerns.
BASIC (74 responses)
Far and away the most popular response, for 3 reasons:
1. It's easy to learn.
2. It's been mentioned on the EvangeList many times.
3. I mentioned using (AppleSoft) BASIC myself 15 years ago.
Remember though, as the name implies, the language is somewhat rudimentary. You won't be able to access all of the Mac Toolbox calls, and therefore may not be able to program everything you want.
C / C++ (~40 responses; it was sort of assumed in my post)
Fast and ubiquitous (that means "it's everywhere"), but much more complex and difficult to learn. Some even said "frustrating" and "hate it", but it is essentially the de facto standard that Mac AND Windows apps are being programmed in today. Because of its complexity, you'll have a steeper learning curve, but you can create quick, professional quality software. One writer suggested that C was easy, it was learning the 4000 Mac Toolbox routines that was difficult.
C is a subset of C++; more than one source suggested starting with C++. Yet another claimed you must have a foundation in C before starting to learn the object-oriented approach of C++, because most books' examples are in C. *sigh*
AppleScript (9 responses)
AppleScript is the Mac's "built-in" programming language. It's slower than the high-tech C, there's a lot you cannot do with it, and there's less documentation, but "for smaller tasks, it can be a true gem". One interesting example is cgi scripts for a webpage. Another advantage is the use of common English commands.
There is no user interface, but a complimentary piece of software exists called FaceSpan that adds graphical elements to your AppleScript applications, such as menus and dialog boxes.
And there is a new editor for AppleScript, called Smile. It claims to make AppleScript even more friendly. "Even children" can use it, say the creators.
MacPerl (3 responses)
This is another scripting language like AppleScript, but it is based on Unix. It is used extensively in designing websites.
OTHERS
These languages all received mention by one or two members:
Java ("easy, even fun", but doesn't use the Toolbox)
Pascal (included in the CodeWarrior development environment, see below)
Objective-C ("much better than Java"; came to Apple from the NeXT acquisition and may be incorporated into OS X)
Prograph CPX ("A very good first programming language... the only [one] truly visual... my 13-year-old could follow the tutorials.")
LISP (it's been around for 40 years)
Chipmunk BASIC (equivalent to AppleSoft BASIC that I worked with in 1982!)
tcl (cross-platform, "useful in creating graphical user interfaces")
TrueBasic
Python "extremely well-designed and useful"
4th Dimension
Mops (public domain, "good for beginners... more productive")
Squeak (free, all platforms, "the only completely object-oriented language")
Oberon
Personally, I'm really looking for the most common, supported language, especially as a beginner. Once I can whiz around on the standard, THEN I'll look at the tweaky stuff. Even if they are "better", I wouldn't want to learn how to drive in a Lamborghini.
LOOK FOR CODING AND SAMPLE CODE HELPSOF IPHONE
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/
I hear that Python is a good object-orientated Lang. and a bit Easy
Then there is Pearl and Ruby
Hey if you not such an advanced user (i.e Like me, a looser)
Why don't U try Building an Applescript Studio-based Application
Thats Simple but efficient.
Unless you Building some-sort of game then a buddy of mine uses Java and sez that its the best because you can Port it to other platforms
That's bout the extent of "My Ocean of Knowledge"
Not much but I hope that I've Helped
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I realized I did not notice that the question asked about OS X development in addition to iPhone development. However, the iPhone SDK is just Xcode with some extra iPhone-specific stuff, and as far as I know, OS X uses Objective-C as well, so most of my answer should apply to both OS X and iPhone development.
Thanks. Any good places to learn Java?
You can download an ebook here:
https://jedi.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=8597&expandFolder=8597&folderID=8597
Since you are a beginner, choose Introduction to Programming 1. Do you already have java installed in your computer? If you have questions, just approach me.