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2 years, 6 months ago

How is it that This Week in Startups (or any other podcast) can use copyrighted music for jingles/opening and not be in legal trouble?

I have a video podcast that I'd like to occasionally use short clips of music in. I notice that This Week in Startups uses some pretty prominent music for its opening theme and certain segments. Specifically, it's using Kanye West's "Good Life" as the opening theme, and the 20th Century Fox fanfare for its Special Announcement segment. (Not pickin on #TWiSt here--I'm a big fan. Thanks Audible, WebSpy, DNA Mail, USTREAM, and others ;))

Did JCal get permission from Kanye and Fox to use these, or is there some kind of fair use thing going on here because he's only using X seconds worth of the tune?

As a new podcaster, this is one thing I haven't figured out--how are all these other shows able to use copyrighted sound clips, but everything I have read thus far says I cannot?
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cherise | 2 years, 6 months ago
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I don't think they can. I think they will be in legal trouble as soon as someone catches up with them. They may think they can use up to 30 seconds worth of a copyrighted song, but that only applies for educational purposes. That is called "fair use". However:

"Fair use ends when the multimedia creator loses control of his product's use, such as when it is accessed by others over the Internet."

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michaelpaul | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

Yeah, you're right. Oh well. I'm not interested in being served with a take-down notice. Thanks for the answer.

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cherise | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

I do not think that is fair use. Fair use is intended for educational purposes, not for making money.

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michaelpaul | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

That's what I was thinking... unless they bought a license from Kanye or somehow got his permission. Same for the 20th century fox fanfare. I have so many times in my podcast where it's a great time to use a particular sound effect from somewhere, but it's copyrighted and so I choose not to because I can't find an answer that I can trust.

There's also a podcast that has intros and outros consisting of funny sound clips/quotes from tv shows or movies. Family Guy is the source of most of them, but the podcast also uses other sounds throughout, that are clearly from tv shows or motion pictures. Is that fair use, given that the podcast uses them merely for intros, outros, and punchline accents?

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easyeboy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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I am not a lawyer (meaning I can't speak for the law or copyright law other than finding information on the Internet), yet from my knowledge I believe they are not allowed to use the entire song, but parts of it are ok. By parts, up to 30 seconds is what is called "fair use" on the Internet. Since, it's not like they are playing the entire song to people on the air, it's not a problem. Perhaps they would get permission if they use the entire song, but they only play a little. Also, some artists and record labels may not crack down on podcasts like this.

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philipy | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

"Fair use" does not mean you can use short segments of people's music in anything you like. It is limited to particular uses, for example if you were reviewing a song, you could include a little clip to illustrate what you're talking about.

Fair use case law mean even very short segments can land you in trouble if they are considered distinctive and valuable in themselves, for example the opening seconds of "I can't get no satisfaction" by the Stones.

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michaelpaul | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

Seems like the more I read, the more I see that I clearly should not be using copyrighted material unless I can somehow secure permission. Maybe I'll produce my own music then. I didn't want to go that route (though I have the skills), but it could be fun--if time consuming. ;)

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michaelpaul | 2 years, 6 months ago Report

Wikipedia asks its authors to use no more than 30 seconds or 10% of a song.... but generally speaking, Wikipedia is there to provide information about that song or genre, so the fair use doctrine obviously applies (1).

Everything I've read about fair use thus far seems to indicate that you need to be generally talking _about_ that content (be it musical, images or otherwise) which you are using for it to be considered fair use (2).

Then I stumbled upon a scenario (example 3 in link 3, below) that basically lays out what any profitable podcaster is doing today (doing a show, selling ads), and the burden of proof lies on the podcaster to defend his fair use claim. Even in example 3, though, that's a show about music, and it reviews music.

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content
(2) http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Podcasting_Legal_Guide#Fair_Use_Under_Copyright_Law_And_Its_Application_To_Podcasts.
(3) http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Podcasting_Legal_Guide#Examples_Of_Fair_Use_That_May_Apply_In_Podcasting.

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subgman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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There are sites such as http://www.musicalley.com/ that provide music for podcast producers for free under creative commons.

You can pay for audio clips at http://www.istockphoto.com/audio.php

You may also try contacting the artist directly through twitter, facebook or myspace. I would be flattered if you or any other podcaster wanted to use my music. I would even consider creating an original composition if the podcaster agreed to give me credit.

-Steve
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