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M$10.05 August 28, 2009 12:31 AM

Low light concrete patio, need a place for the dog to go to the bathroom. Can I plant grass? Or are there better (inexpensive) options?

We live in Manhattan with a puppy and are training him to go to the bathroom outside on our low light all concrete patio. Right now we have to clean up after every #1 or #2 to prevent from stains, smell, etc.

Ideally we could plant grass on top of the concrete for the dog to go to the bathroom on. However it's low light, and I can't find a real answer on how successful people have been growing grass on concrete. Many people say you need up to 8-12" on soil, others say the drainage is too much of a problem, most people say it isn't possible but don't cite any personal experience.

Can you plant grass on concrete? If not, what are the best options for our puppy potty needs?
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August 28, 2009 04:13 AM
If I was in your position, I'd probably use artificial grass for the patio. You can hose it off to clean it, it won't die, and it won't require all of the maintenance of real grass.

If you REALLY want grass:
Consider using a slightly raised (8") flower box.
Line it with a few inches of pea gravel, as it will help water drain away and keep the soil from trickling out of the cracks in the flower box. Fill the box the rest of the way with top soil and sod. Annual Rye Grass is pretty forgiving. You can set up the bed at a slight angle to drain the water where it will do the least harm. It must be able to drain somewhere or the roots will rot. If you go this route, you'll need to water and fertilize it regularly since there isn't enough soil to hold much water or store nutrients. You can use a grow light if you don't get quite enough sun. Given the less than ideal conditions, and small area, dog urine might kill off patches. Be careful with this approach if your patio is suspended (i.e. like a balcony) as wet soil can weigh a lot. This approach is best for a ground floor, and will require a fair amount of maintenance.

There is a product similar to the PottyPatch that you can buy in NY:
http://www.thepetloo.com/us/locate-a-retailer.html
I'd check it out in person and see if it would do the trick. I'm leery of buying an online pet product without ever having seen it, but this one you should be able to find in person. The big one on their main page looks pretty dog friendly.

Be careful with the PottyPatch. The consumerist has an article talking about how many people were unhappy with that company because of not receiving the product after ordering it:
http://consumerist.com/5306913/
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http://www.thepetloo.com/
http://consumerist.com/5306913/

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• ewpldf, thanks for the great info. This is exactly what I was looking for. After this, I've decided to get the PorchPotty with artificial grass, thanks for the info.


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August 28, 2009 01:06 PM
@ewpldf, I'm nominating you for Answer of the Day!

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Same goes for anyone here who agrees this was a really great answer! :)

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August 28, 2009 01:06 PM
You know, I was about to sit down and submit a nice, long answer, only to find that @ewpldf already said everything perfectly!

Remember, @msingleton, that grass is a SUN LOVER! Even varieties of grass that can "tolerate" more shade, still need sunlight! And you know what else grass hates besides low light? Dog urine!

If I were to set up an experiment to try and kill grass as fast as humanly possible, I'd set up the dog area you're considering.

But if you insist on going forward with it, read the above suggestions, they're really great.

SOURCES:
Master Gardener, professional experience as gardening advice consultant, dog owner, grass lover

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August 28, 2009 04:51 PM
They sell a grass seed for urine spots that might help.

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August 28, 2009 01:06 AM
Well we have a large back yard. And we still have to pickup at least #2. There is another option. That is to train you dog to use a box like a cat.
It is done all the time. Here is a web site there a quite a few.

http://www.scamperingpaws.com/training/litterbox.shtml

Hope that this helps.

Vince
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August 28, 2009 03:23 AM
Thanks baja, we are surely still going to have to pick up the #2, we are looking for a more natural solution which at least would let us be able to help absorb more then just concrete.

I'm more interested in information on growing grass on a low-light concrete surface.

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August 28, 2009 02:44 AM
You could give the Potty Patch a shot! Nothing like a little multi-layered doggy astroturf.

https://www.pottypatch.com/ver12/index.asp
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August 28, 2009 03:26 AM
Thanks mrcal. We have looked at this as an option, as well as some of the other popular alternatives. We are fortunate enough to have our own private outdoor space in the city, so we definitely want an outdoor solution.

I'm really hoping to find more information about growing grass in our situation. Thanks for the link though.

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August 28, 2009 01:27 PM
msingleton - sorry - i wasn't clear - i was thinking you could use this product outside. i also didn't catch that you were really looking for the grass option. looks like there are others with some better input. hope it works out.

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August 28, 2009 06:20 AM
What you want to do is look for "Low Shade" grass at the home improvement store.

You could also plant sturdy, evergreen groundcovers such as pachysandra or ivy.

You could also build a small section that was filled with dirt... Dogs will go wherever you train them to, and dirt is easy to shovel poo from.

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August 28, 2009 09:48 AM
It Is good thing to train puppy!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it is possible to grow grass on concrete.you just do that !!!!!!!

Go to a shop in fancy things were available at a wide range.
Now ask the shopkeeper for fancy grass.
i sure if you find a right shop you will get fancy grass at rate of 15-25$
then came home and put it on concrete like a carpet. I bet it look likes
real grass and your puppy become happy and start potting on grass!!!!!!!
Hence it is a carpet so it is easy to wash it or dusting it!!!!!!!!!!!
So keep enjoying fancy grass!!!!!!!!!!!!

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August 28, 2009 01:25 PM
Okay, even though @ewpldf gave you superb advice on growing real grass, I did want to suggest another option for you - something that a lot of apartment-dwellers use for situations very similar to yours!

http://www.porchpotty.com/

This product looks so cool. It's a dog potty that cleans itself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rowsy5o1gOQ

You can use real grass or artificial turf, and it is such a clean and unique option I think you owe it to yourself to take a closer look. The price isn't cheap, but neither is grass! Once you build and install a raised box with either grass seed or sod, you're going to spend hundreds (or possibly even thousands!). Do your homework, but this might be a better investment!

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August 28, 2009 03:28 PM
Thanks gno, you would have easily gotten the tip if it wasn't for ewpldf's great answer. Interestingly, after reading his response about the real grass, and seeing your link, I've decided to order a porch potty. Let me know if you have an affiliate link for them so I can help you out a little bit :)

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August 28, 2009 04:04 PM
I don't, but thanks. :)

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